Cab advice needed: 212 vs 115?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by SickAura, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. SickAura

    SickAura Let There Be Rock Supporting Member

    Dec 8, 2013
    My main rig is a PF800 with 2 PF115HE’s. I am really happy with this setup and I really like these cabs - but I have found that sometimes bringing 2 115’s can be a little overkill for some of the things I am doing – so I have been bringing 115 a lot more often than two. However, 115 can be a little lacking when/if things start getting louder. Still sounds good – just not great - especially when I know how great 2 15’s sound with the PF800

    So, I have been thinking about getting a SVT212AV – thinking that the 212 at 4 ohms would give me the full power of the head and more surface area bringing me closer to how 2 15’s sound – yet I would still benefit from schlepping only 1 cab.

    So before I try to track one down to try - I thought I’d ask you guys – do you think the 212 would be that much better than 115? Is it worth the extra expense?
  2. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    it does seem like a 1x15 is about "equal" to a similar-design 2x10 cab, so a good 2x12 might indeed be just the thing to bring out instead when one fifteen is not enough and two are too many.

    (dunno if it's "worth the expense" though; those PF 1x15s are pretty compact, and it's always nice to have a little more bass rig than you need sitting behind you.)
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  3. bassistheplaceofcourse


    Oct 26, 2014
    All I can say is that I used to own an Eden 212xlt and an Eden 115xlt. The the 115 was good, but the 212 was a slayer of dragons. So my vote would be yes, worth it.
  4. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    I too, have quit hauling my two 15 cabs—they are 15/6/1 cabs. Two are only needed for loud reggae gigs. One is like a great 410, only clean and clear all over the club/bar/hall.

    Maybe a 212 will do it. Haven't used the 212AV. Have you tried others?
  5. I would just keep what you have. You can always turn down...
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  6. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    Yeah, after all, what's not to like about a little overkill? :smug:
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  7. slade


    Apr 5, 2001
    sounds like you want to split the difference and already know the answer. Yes- that cab should split the difference of your current two options. If you don't want to haul 2 115s for medium gigs, and 1 115 won't cut it, 1 212 should work out great! My guess is you know how to turn down your amp but just don't want to haul two cabs. Sounds reasonable to me. You're on the right track man....
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  8. iualum


    Apr 9, 2004
    Find (or build/have built…LDS) a 212 w/3012HOs. Problem solved ;).
  9. I'm using a Fender Bassman Neo 115 cab. I sold 2 Bergantino 112 cabs that I'd had for years, & loved.
    It's such a good cab. I've also had 2 Ampeg PF115HE cabs. And really these don't compare to the Fender Bassman Neo 115. The PF115HE would flub & fart out where the 115 Bassman holds up wonderfully.
    So. ... I'd think you'd be VERY well served with the AMPEG 212AV.
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  10. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    I now have a pair of GB NX2 112s. I don't gig much anymore and rarely even need 2, since my current band isn't very loud, but the pair is a superb setup. Overall, the 212 configuration is my favorite for modularity, ease of schlep and small footprint with a stack that's fairly tall and easily heard on stage.
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  11. iualum


    Apr 9, 2004
    ^^^ I'd love to pick up a pair of NX2 212s, but they're pretty rare birds. ^^^
  12. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Yeah, I have been hoarding a bit of GB gear :)
  13. bassinflorida

    bassinflorida turn that dang thing down

    Jan 27, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Ditto on the Eden 212xlt. I used one until I 'thought' I needed a 5-string bass. I had a tendency to hit the B string too hard and that was a bit of a struggle for that cab. I should have kept the cab and ditched the 5-string.
    Looks like there may be better 12" cabs now but that one was damn fine!
  14. buldog5151bass

    buldog5151bass Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.

    Oct 22, 2003
    In most cases, the 2x12 will give more than the 1x15, and is lighter and easier to carry than the 2x15. I just went that route, a 2x12 Revsound cab at 38 pounds.

    In general, 12s seem to be getting very popular, for just that reason - multiple 15s can be overkill (as can 4x10).
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  15. What would REALLY kill would be a head that allows you to run both of your 115's and the 212 all at the same time. A modular beast suitable for any occasion big or small.
  16. I would just use both of your 115 cabs and turn your amp down a bit. That doesn't cost you a penny. Those PF115's are fairly light, aren't they?
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  17. iualum


    Apr 9, 2004
    Not so much, no :meh:.
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  18. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    In principle it surely could, yes. As to these specific models, I couldn't tell ya. I'm not an Ampeg guy.

    Generally speaking, however, you really can't generalize based on speaker size. It just doesn't work that way for bass cabs. Though there may often be some of the standard conventions, few of those correlations between tone/frequency response and speaker size are absolute or even necessary.

    I personally prefer the 2x12 or (2) 1x12 format, for some of the same reasons you mentioned - because it offers a good bit of speaker area in a relatively small footprint...and because of the kind of voicing that often characterizes a 1x12 or 2x12 - though a lot of that voicing is deliberately engineered in, and is not necessarily inherent in the 12" speaker size.

  19. Slade N

    Slade N Supporting Member

    May 28, 2005
    portland, or
    i love my eden 212s, i have a light touch and run compression so they handle the B no between our two experiences you might want to factor your playing in there...I cant comment on any other brand of 212
  20. monsterthompson

    monsterthompson The Eighth Note Wonder Of The World Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2008
    surface area isn't the issue. excursion and displacement should be considered.
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