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Cab weight difference older vs new.

#22
Marko 1 said:
That's "Two Houses In Youngstown" money...

I'm still looking at the 157-lb one. :)
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Well, at least it comes with a built in Dolley…

At age 70, I can still handle a 70 lbs rack and two 60 lbs 210 cabs (non-neo) (not at once) on a gig, but by the time I load it in the car from the house, get to the gig, set it up, tear it down and move into the car, then load it back in the house down a flight of steps to the music room, I’m shot for the day for some reason….. LOL…
 
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dbsfgyd1 said:
Well, at least it comes with a built in Dolley…

At age 70, I can still handle a 70 lbs rack and two 60 lbs 210 cabs (non-neo) (not at once) on a gig, but by the time I load it in the car from the house, get to the gig, set it up, tear it down and move into the car, then load it back in the house down a flight of steps to the music room, I’m shot for the day for some reason….. LOL…
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I'm almost 66 (I hope to make it to 70, lol), but fortunately I have zero steps between rehearsal/storage and the band trailer ramp.

I do however (with help) have to handle the PA. Yeah, after which I'm pretty beat. :D
 
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The sound of the old cabinet will have more "heft". Nothing worse than a heft-less bass sound.

But seriously, most people who care use "baltic birch" plywood now, which is light and strong. But there are probably others that are equally light weight.
 
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Oh, I left out the 9 hour commute....LOL!!

This is a band I joined when I was a junior in high school in Pittsburgh. We only do a few gigs a year, 5 currently on the calendar. This coming weekend is one of them. Leaving 6 am tomorrow.

Now before anybody thinks I'm off my rocker, how many high level hobbiest do you know that will drive a similar distance to play golf? Softball? Bowling? Sightseeing? Hiking? Equestrian events? Fishing?

And how many of those actually make money or at least break even over the course of a year after paying for travel expenses, food and lodging, and buying equipment needed to pursue their passion? Plus, how many get to hang with 10 others that are phenomenal players not to mention great guys? ( and for bassists, playing with the best drummer I've ever worked with?)

At our age, this band has a short window. In the 57 years this band has been in existence, we've had 5 pass on, 10 that have aged out, and I'm the next to youngest in the band. And if it ends, there aren't a lot of band's looking for 70 year old bassists regardless how well they can play. So there are only so many gigs left in my life, and I'm not missing any of them, regardless where they are...LOL!!

OK now, if you want to call me nuts, have at it....
 
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KJMO said:
The sound of the old cabinet will have more "heft". Nothing worse than a heft-less bass sound.

But seriously, most people who care use "baltic birch" plywood now, which is light and strong. But there are probably others that are equally light weight.
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The sound of the older cabinet won't have more heft. The "heft" is unrelated to weight, regardless of urban myth and old wive's tales.

Baltic Birch is not a light wood, true Baltic Birch (from the Baltic region) is quite heavy because the core plies are birch, though there are plywoods called "Baltic Birch" which is just birch face veneers with softer/lighter core plies.

Baltic Birch | The Wood Database (Hardwood)
 
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agedhorse said:
The sound of the older cabinet won't have more heft. The "heft" is unrelated to weight, regardless of urban myth and old wive's tales.

Baltic Birch is not a light wood, true Baltic Birch (from the Baltic region) is quite heavy because the core plies are birch, though there are plywoods called "Baltic Birch" which is just birch face veneers with softer/lighter core plies.

Baltic Birch | The Wood Database (Hardwood)
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Sorry, I should have used the <sarcasm> tag, especially considering the 10,000 threads on class D amps you've participated in ;-)

Interesting, I didn't know that, but not surprised as I know people misname wood in general for marketing purposes (e.g. African mahogany, etc.). I guess you look for "birch-faced poplar", but I suppose you don't know unless you feel/weigh it.
 
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KJMO said:
Sorry, I should have used the <sarcasm> tag, especially considering the 10,000 threads on class D amps you've participated in ;-)

Interesting, I didn't know that, but not surprised as I know people misname wood in general for marketing purposes (e.g. African mahogany, etc.). I guess you look for "birch-faced poplar", but I suppose you don't know unless you feel/weigh it.
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Buying wood unseen, especially in large quantities, can result in getting totally hosed.

We buy real Baltic Birch (and Italian Poplar) that's CNC grade (tight thickness/flatness tolerances) by the "rail car", you can bet that we are darn sure of what we are buying before paying for it. There is no such thing as a "screaming deal" of quality wood products, it's buyer beware.
 
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Marko of Markbass said on a thread at another site that they used Italian Poplar for their cabs when made in Italy, and doubted they could reliably source plywood that was lightweight enough in Indonesia, but they did apparently and he shifted production there. I think he had them make the "Blackline" cabs and amps as a test, but who knows?
 
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gtirard said:
Don't worry, Fender still have margins of progression:

GR Bass 810 - 50,7 lbs

:)
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The specs on those GR cabs look too good to be true, or have they found a corner case in Hoffman's Iron Law?

(I'm not being sarcastic: it could be that, for the cab volume needed to reach a given sensitivity (loud) and low frequency extension (low), that going from wood to carbon fiber (light) has little effect on the other two parameters.)
 
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taketwo said:
The specs on those GR cabs look too good to be true, or have they found a corner case in Hoffman's Iron Law?

(I'm not being sarcastic: it could be that, for the cab volume needed to reach a given sensitivity (loud) and low frequency extension (low), that going from wood to carbon fiber (light) has little effect on the other two parameters.)
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Yes I agree.
The weight is probably accurate, even if it's incredible.
Frequency range and Sensitivity: certainly calculated with less demanding criteria than Mesa for example.
Sensitivity in particular is too good to be true, for example they claim 103 dB SPL for the 210 (same as their 212 by the way)
 
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gtirard said:
The weight is probably accurate, even if it's incredible.
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It is, I've checked that by myself. And it sounds good in a store. But the real test is onstage.

However I have tried the super lightweight MarkBass 810, and it was simply an awful sounding cab. So awful a though the cab has a problem. No projection, no tone, no power, no presence. Just lightweight.
Even my little 212 Genz Benz was way better next to it.
 
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baxter_x said:
It is, I've checked that by myself. And it sounds good in a store. But the real test is onstage.

However I have tried the super lightweight MarkBass 810, and it was simply an awful sounding cab. So awful a though the cab has a problem. No projection, no tone, no power, no presence. Just lightweight.
Even my little 212 Genz Benz was way better next to it.
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Agree. Talkbass members who purchased GR Bass cabs seem to love them though.
 
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