Cabinet Simulation on FRFR PA speakers- simplest method

[agedhorse]

That makes a lot of sense.

There I go making sense again

 

[shirojiro]

With a BDDI and a QStrip, I think you’re pretty well covered for amp and cab simulation and eq.

Have you tried them together? I like that combo.

 

[vickerekes]

Thats not too scooped when you do that? I had one of those a long time ago maybe I should try it again

I used the v1 BDDI for a long time, which had a 'scoop' issue, but not the v2.
Having scanned the thread, my experience with the OCSM is no hiss (The order in which I ran the power lines made quite a difference.): it's very quiet and adds an authentic organic cab feel to the HiFi speaker or FOH - gets me kudos from the different sound guys, who run it as-is straight through.

 

[poochiecheeks]

With a BDDI and a QStrip, I think you’re pretty well covered for amp and cab simulation and eq.

Have you tried them together? I like that combo.

I have not actually. Thats a great idea

 

[dpbass66]

Imagine-
Bass -> Preamp (pedal or rack) -> DI to mixer -> 2x 18" subs and 2x 15" top PA speakers
No sound guy/FOH

The preamp is intended to be used in front of an amp or power amp into a colored bass cabinet and not right to a PA. How do I make the balanced out from the preamp sound great in FRFR PA speakers?
Do I
-Cab sim pedal/unit
-Simple HPF/LPF
-Approximate a speaker response through some sort of soft EQ curve
-EQ out the harsh DI sound on the preamp
-Forget it and buy a sansamp
-Leave it alone as no one will notice anyway
-STFU and practice

What is the simplest method to make a straight DI sound good through PA speakers with no sound guy and a basic analog mixer? That's what I'm working with right now. If you send a straight DI signal to the PA wont it sound thin, middy and lifeless? Our guitar player used to send a marshall distortion pedal straight to the mixer and it sounded like a chorus of T8 florescent bulbs being smashed non stop throughout the gig.
Thoughts?
Thank you

I use a Nordstrand Starlifter in front of my stage amp (Bergantino Super), send a signal from the Starlifter to house (SL has onboard EQ and volume) and separate signal from SL to my bass amp which is set almost flat with the compression just a touch. I have active preamp on my basses and Starlifter pre is amazing, so bass amp on stage doesnt need more EQ. I get FOH sound guys complimenting my sound all the time. This setup also allows me to independently adjust my stage volume if I want, but I really try to not do that since it obviously screws wiht the FOH mix. Once I get it all set during soundcheck, I try to respect the house settings.

 

[poochiecheeks]

You have two great tools at your disposal then.

Sansamp V1 is a classic. No need to get additional cab sim - the Sansamp circuitry already contains cab simulation. There are ways to get around the scooped mids: try either decreasing Blend or slightly attenuating Bass, Treble and Presence.

Qstrip is another great tool. If you find it sounding too harsh try engaging LPF and/or attenuating Highs and/or high mids (MID 2). Don't be afraid to turn the knobs-they are there to be used.

One warning though: don't judge your sound when playing solo. IME, what sounds harsh when soloed will sound nice in a mix. What sounds nice soloed gets lost in the mix.

I would advice against using the direct out on your rumble head.

Good luck!

Could I ask why the DI from an amp wouldn't be a good idea? The last bass player in this band used a Markbass combo as a stage monitor and the DI out to the PA. Are they generally not quality DIs?

 

[poochiecheeks]

For the ultimate cabsim: DSM Noisemaker OmniCabSim Deluxe : knobs and frequency response
Makes my uber HiFI speaker sound like the old school cabs that I like.
I run a Sansamp BDDI v2 first, followed by the DSM, for a bit of drive and additional tone shaping.
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The good old sansamp bass driver is probably the easiest path.

Had the DSM OCD, but let it go as I find it noisy… was using daisy chain 1spot with DG VMu.

I used the v1 BDDI for a long time, which had a 'scoop' issue, but not the v2.
Having scanned the thread, my experience with the OCSM is no hiss (The order in which I ran the power lines made quite a difference.): it's very quiet and adds an authentic organic cab feel to the HiFi speaker or FOH - gets me kudos from the different sound guys, who run it as-is straight through.

I found a great deal on a used Omni Cab Sim deluxe, so I'll be trying that at some point. I remember the knobs being very indescript of what they actually do- maybe thats the point...

 

[poochiecheeks]

With a BDDI and a QStrip, I think you’re pretty well covered for amp and cab simulation and eq.

Have you tried them together? I like that combo.

I had the chance to try this briefly- it actually sounds great. I gave a fair boost at 700hz with the BDDI blend around 2-3:00. I think the Q of the sansamp 800hz scoop is different than the Q of the two mid bands on the Q strip. I'll have to experiment but it sounds like the best of both worlds. Boosting 1.6k sounds great also.

 

[vickerekes]

I found a great deal on a used Omni Cab Sim deluxe, so I'll be trying that at some point. I remember the knobs being very indescript of what they actually do- maybe thats the point...

Congrats! The link (not by me) lays it out pretty well, a very clever bank of analog tone shapers... DSM Noisemaker OmniCabSim Deluxe : knobs and frequency response

 

[Zbysek]

Could I ask why the DI from an amp wouldn't be a good idea? The last bass player in this band used a Markbass combo as a stage monitor and the DI out to the PA. Are they generally not quality DIs?

The main reason is that the direct out on Fender amps is "post", AFAIK.