Cabs under fender800 rumble

[sorbonnekurt]

Hi all,

Which cab or cabs would you place under a head rumble 800? Many claim 2 cabs of 2x 10 inches? I have doubts about that a 15 inch is missing. 1 cab 2x 10 inches 2 cab 1x 15 inches And then there are different opinions that a combination of 2 different cabs is not really necessary to get the really deep sounds like a 15 inch.
The cabs must handle the head (800w)
I'm looking forward to your response.


Or do I have to buy a completely different amplifier to get these sounds. Deep and dirty sometimes and loud and the fender is too clean to be able to do this in this genre
Bass : Fender P
Peadlboard : Big muff, distortion, overdrive, chorus, flanger
Music : Postpunk, newwave , stoner
Thank you all for the answers

 

[abarson]

Speaker size does not determine tone depth.
My Acme B2 210 goes lower than just about any 115 out there. Judge a cabinet with your ears, not your eyes.

Your pedals are going to deliver the majority of the dirt. I see no reason why the 800 wouldn’t be a worthy amp.

 

[shoot-r]

Hi all,

Which cab or cabs would you place under a head rumble 800? Many claim 2 cabs of 2x 10 inches? I have doubts about that a 15 inch is missing. 1 cab 2x 10 inches 2 cab 1x 15 inches And then there are different opinions that a combination of 2 different cabs is not really necessary to get the really deep sounds like a 15 inch.
The cabs must handle the head (800w)
I'm looking forward to your response.


Or do I have to buy a completely different amplifier to get these sounds. Deep and dirty sometimes and loud and the fender is too clean to be able to do this in this genre
Bass : Fender P
Peadlboard : Big muff, distortion, overdrive, chorus, flanger
Music : Postpunk, newwave , stoner
Thank you all for the answers

You didn't mention if you had a budget you were wanting to stay within, you didn't mention if you wanted to stay with new or if you might consider going used.

I'd suggest:
If there's any brick and mortar music stores anywhere reasonably close to you, take your bass, your Rumble head, your effects to those stores, try every bass cab they have, don't worry about driver size, power specs, and especially, the brand and it's cosmetics.
(Pick the equipment with "your ears", not with your eyes.)

Buy the absolute highest quality cabinet/s you can afford and transport.
(The cabinet you choose will have the biggest impact on your sound/tone over any of the other components in your signal chain.)

If there are no stocking music stores in your area, go to the net, do your research, watch/listen to all the cabinet reviews you can find, go out and listen to local bands to see what's working for their bassplayer, do what you've already done, go to T.B. and ask questions.

When I was gig cabinet shopping I did my research, (in my area, local music stores only carry beginners packs and bedroom amps.)

After the research, I picked three manufacturers cabinets that I thought would be what my ears wanted to hear.
I started watching the T.B. Classifieds for used but not abused cabinets till what I wanted popped up.
I bought one manufacturers top rated, top of the line cabinet at well under half of what it sold for new.
It's turned out to be the best equipment purchase I've ever made.

 

[JenderBazzFass]

The most popular thing to say here is "Go to a shop and choose with your ears." The problem with that advice is that there are very few places to do this today, and even fewer that will have more than one or two cabs for you check out. And it appears you are in Europe, which means buying a cab from the TB classifieds may be out.

I have had no luck here in the US even with several major music stores around. Most of them have only combos in stock, or just one or two bass cabs in the store. There are very few used cabs in this area that I would spend money on. Unfortunately shipping a cab is often impractical.

For your comment about the cab being able to handle the 800W head - if you have an 8Ω cab then your head should only deliver 400W to it, so you can look for a cab with those specs. Most people recommended to me that I get a 2x10 and if I needed more I can add another later, but that many people may not.

 

[shoot-r]

And it appears you are in Europe, which means buying a cab from the TB classifieds may be out.

Ooops!
Didn't catch the O.P. was in Europe.

Disregard the part in my post about using the T.B. Classifieds.

Everything else in my post is still valid though.

OP, if no music stores are available to you at all, do your web research, decide what you like, Basschat has a classifieds just like T.B.

 

[abarson]

Here is the output rating from the manual:
POWER AMP OUTPUT 400W into 8Ω, 800W into 4Ω/2Ω

https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Original/10031/OM_2372000000_Rumble-800-Head_all.pdf

To expand on my earlier comment about dirt: the 800HD does have a built in overdrive that can be switched on/off with a footswitch, but my experience with this circuit on the Rumble combos wasn't very favorable. You might find it to your liking, you'll need to try it yourself.

 

[G-Dog]

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Ask at the TalkBass Fender Rumble Club.

Here are some other threads with similar questions:

Rumble 115 Cabinet - Rumble 800 Head Wattage Question

Rumble 800 v3 with 115 cab or Rumble 500

Best extension cab for a Fender Rumble 800 stage
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[LiptonJigglers]

Many will tell you that speaker size doesn't make a difference. For the most part this is quite true, however cab design around that speaker, will have an effect. Having said this, the difference in sound is very subtle and virtually imperceptible but it is there.
There is a very recent YouTube video of a two guys testing the new Ampeg Ventra series bass cabs, 410, 212 and 115. Can't recall the name of the guys involved but it was an eye (or ear) opening test.
Their findings: even with the subtleties they found; A bassist will always play better when they play and enjoy what they think sounds best..

For me, I have 2 very similar amps and several cabs that I can choose from, depending on venue and conditions I'll be playing.
They're all different brand cabs, all different configurations and they all work well.
The rig that worked best for me, in achieving the tones you're looking for is my 600 watt solid state amp, markbass CL152 bass cab and my 4 string bass loaded with DiMarzio P 122 pickups. I never used any pedals.
Bottom end, volume and distortion aplenty.

 

[MotorCityMinion]

I'm not an advocate of Markbass. All manufacturers specs can be manipulated or fudged for marketing purposes. Frequency response and Sensitivity give round about numbers on how low and how loud. This 2x12 cab looks decent. Compare to others and start shopping.

 

[RCH]

I have the Rumble 800 head and often us a Rumble 15 on the bottom with the tweeter off and a Rumble 12 sitting on it with the tweeter at 1/2. I don't use the tone buttons on the amp or the built in drive. Bass is set at noon, mids at 2 and treble at 10. The cabs don't line up, but I like the way it sounds. Of course, I only have my own ears.

 

[rapidfirerob]

Speaker size does not determine tone depth.
My Acme B2 210 goes lower than just about any 115 out there. Judge a cabinet with your ears, not your eyes.

Your pedals are going to deliver the majority of the dirt. I see no reason why the 800 wouldn’t be a worthy amp.

I feel the same about my Barefaced One10T(tweeter) and One10.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Hi all,

Which cab or cabs would you place under a head rumble 800? Many claim 2 cabs of 2x 10 inches? I have doubts about that a 15 inch is missing. 1 cab 2x 10 inches 2 cab 1x 15 inches And then there are different opinions that a combination of 2 different cabs is not really necessary to get the really deep sounds like a 15 inch.
The cabs must handle the head (800w)
I'm looking forward to your response.


Or do I have to buy a completely different amplifier to get these sounds. Deep and dirty sometimes and loud and the fender is too clean to be able to do this in this genre
Bass : Fender P
Peadlboard : Big muff, distortion, overdrive, chorus, flanger
Music : Postpunk, newwave , stoner
Thank you all for the answers

I wish I had bought two 210's instead of first buying my DNS-410 (GREAT sounding cab!) in 2015, and buying a DNS-210 later in 2019. My DNS-210 handles 700-watts rms and can play fundamentals down to 34Hz. My DNS-410 handles 1400-watts rms and will play fundamentals down to 37Hz. Both are very loud cabs and super clear, clean, and articulate. My 410 was great for playing medium and large size indoor venues as well as outdoors and music festivals. I can feed it with my 800-watt Eden amp and, since I don't boost the Bass EQ above flat, it can take anything my amp can give it - I get told to turn down at music festivals with my master at 10:30.

But man...I just try to roll that 410 into a small venue and next thing you know they are shaking their head "no" and directing me to play through a small 112 combo. Not only are there a lot of small brewpubs here in Washington state, we hosted Open Mic events at one small brewpub over 40 Friday-nights a year. And I couldn't bring in my 410. So I bought an Eden EX112 and used one of my other amps to run.

Then in 2019 I bought a DNS-210 because it had the same sound characteristics as my 410, was a smaller form factor weighing less, and had a lower bottom end than my 410. I expected to use it for small and medium venues because nobody looks sideways at a bass player bringing in a 210 cab, not even a small brewpub. I can actually run my 210 with my 800-watt amp because it gets up to gig level even in a large indoor venue long before I reach its 700-watt rms maximum (mechanical and thermal). So now I use my 210 for all indoor venues and my 410 for outdoors and music festivals.

If you get a good 210 that will handle 400 to 450-watts rms or more, you should be fine playing your Rumble 800 head through it. If that's not loud enough, you can add a second 210 cab to it turning your 800-watt amp and your two 210 cabs into a defacto 800-watt 410 rig. You can play that just about anywhere.

That gives you a modular rig where you can use the 210 anywhere without being directed to a small 112 combo and add the second one to it when you play anywhere were a single 210 won't cover it.

One caveat for you, resist the urge to "make do" with one of the 210's or any single cab where you really need two. Since you are using distortion, it will be very difficult for you to hear when your speakers are being stressed and much easier to blow the speaker without realizing you were getting close.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

I have the Rumble 800 head and often us a Rumble 15 on the bottom with the tweeter off and a Rumble 12 sitting on it with the tweeter at 1/2. I don't use the tone buttons on the amp or the built in drive. Bass is set at noon, mids at 2 and treble at 10. The cabs don't line up, but I like the way it sounds. Of course, I only have my own ears.

Your own ears are the most important ones to please!

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Hi all,

Which cab or cabs would you place under a head rumble 800? Many claim 2 cabs of 2x 10 inches? I have doubts about that a 15 inch is missing. 1 cab 2x 10 inches 2 cab 1x 15 inches And then there are different opinions that a combination of 2 different cabs is not really necessary to get the really deep sounds like a 15 inch.
The cabs must handle the head (800w)
I'm looking forward to your response.


Or do I have to buy a completely different amplifier to get these sounds. Deep and dirty sometimes and loud and the fender is too clean to be able to do this in this genre
Bass : Fender P
Peadlboard : Big muff, distortion, overdrive, chorus, flanger
Music : Postpunk, newwave , stoner
Thank you all for the answers

I have two 210 cabs, I assure you there is nothing a 115 cab can give you tone wise, and I would doubt your are going to find one that will put out 129dB driven with 400 watts my 210s can.

As for your Rumble and cabs, your 2 cabs will need to be 8 ohm cabs when both are used will show 4ohm load to your Rumble which will put out 800 watts. Each cab will get 400 watts.

This is pretty important. One cab will be an 8 ohm load on the amp, and the amp will put out less wattage. What the reduction is I wouldn't know, but I would doubt it's half of 800 max output of your amp. So if you are going to use one cab, it's RMS rating should be more than the out put of the Rumble or you may damage your drivers.

 

[39-Bassist]

Get a 410 cab. That head loves it.
or (2) 210 's
BUT use your ears to what sounds good to you. Just make sure the cabs can handle the power that's all.

 

[mcrawfordmusic]

I would personally be looking at either two 2x10's or two 1x15's for continuity in aesthetics, balance and sound. If you want a single cab solution instead, you can't really go wrong with a 4x10. I would try and test all of those configurations and see which you prefer. Only way to know what will work for you is to try it!

 

[Bassquest]

The bar (300+) I regularly gig at has the 800 paired with both the 115 and 210 cabs. It all goes through the main system so I dont have it loud on stage. Here's the settings I use with my passive Pbass.

 

[Pulverizor]

Two of these should do the job:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/ampeg_venture_vb_88.htm

Or just one

 

[sokolasty]

I'm not an advocate of Markbass. All manufacturers specs can be manipulated or fudged for marketing purposes. Frequency response and Sensitivity give round about numbers on how low and how loud. This 2x12 cab looks decent. Compare to others and start shopping.

I'd suggest not to believe anything published
Some years ago I saw 4x6" cab having the same stated sensitivity as 8x10". The latter is roughly 5 times more air pumping surface as the former.

It comes to ears each time.

@sorbonnekurt
You can reach easily Musicstore in Koeln, Musikproduktiv in Ibbenbuehren or, not as easily, Thomann in Treppendorf, Bayern. I guess you can see smth interesting there.