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Calling all prog fans!!
- Thread starter strangiato79
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I like the Lamb a lot but I think it can get a bit overrated. The truth is it's a very unusual album for the band, no other Genesis album sounds like it. I think Foxtrot and Selling England are albums that are much better representations of what Genesis was about than the Lamb which is a bit of an outlier.
I'm a HUGE Rush fan and I'm a HUGE prog fan. That being said, I don't really consider Rush prog (and they don't really consider themselves Prog either). Rush is a hard rock power trio that has prog influences. If Rush is prog, then Zeppelin is prog, and nobody calls Zep prog.
I know that will probably be an unpopular opinion but hey, I don't think Floyd is prog either (and I've got plenty of friends who are total Floyd nuts that don't consider Floyd prog). The term "prog" has gotten a bit too broad, it's like any band that is doing something creative with different genres of music fused together and longer than 3 minutes is prog. Nah.
I agree with your comments on Lamb. Personally, I don't play the second disc much, but I like the first one a lot. Also, I would have to include Nursery Cryme, with the other 2 you mentioned. Just MHO.
I saw The Musical Box here in NJ back in the late 90s (or early 00's). IIRC, it was The Lamb show, although I wouldn't bet the mortgage that it wasn't the Selling England show instead. They were awesome, right down to PG's mannerisms. I seem to recall that they had a "white" stage show and a "black" stage show, or something like that. We caught the white show.
I've seen the "real" PG about 7-8 times, including several shows where I was close enough to actually lean on the stage. I even have one of his shoes as a souvenir from when he used to fall into the crowd during "Lay Your Hands On Me". He fell right on top of me at the Philly Spectrum during the So Tour.
I've seen the "real" PG about 7-8 times, including several shows where I was close enough to actually lean on the stage. I even have one of his shoes as a souvenir from when he used to fall into the crowd during "Lay Your Hands On Me". He fell right on top of me at the Philly Spectrum during the So Tour.
Queen is one of those bands that was not mainly a progressive band, but were clearly progressive. They dabbled in it, like Led Zeppelin did. Anyone who can hear Queen's "Prophet Song," or Zeppelin's "In the Light" can't possibly dismiss these bands from the Prog genre; they just weren't overall prog bands. They also did their share of radio hits; pop; hard rock; and even, in my opinion, punk and metal. They were the type of bands who tried their hand at any genre, if it appealed to them to do so.
And for me, that is TRULY progressive.
In my opinion, Jazz copped the best term for it all..... "Fusion".
I think that it is a better description of what all these bands (both Rock and Jazz) were doing and that was to fuse other musical genres into their main style. But it was more than that, they also fused technique, instrumentation, processing and studio production techniques. In doing so they created what was, at the time, unique.
What seems to be missing from Prog (and for music in general) now is the sense of unbridled experimentation. Like much of music it has become subject to orthodoxy and thus stylization.
I think that it is a better description of what all these bands (both Rock and Jazz) were doing and that was to fuse other musical genres into their main style. But it was more than that, they also fused technique, instrumentation, processing and studio production techniques. In doing so they created what was, at the time, unique.
What seems to be missing from Prog (and for music in general) now is the sense of unbridled experimentation. Like much of music it has become subject to orthodoxy and thus stylization.
Did you listen to Rise Robots Rise from earlier post?? That is experimental modern progressive......its is from 1992 but it still 10-15 years newer then most of these posts!!
No, thanks for the FYI I will definitely give them a listen.
I also want to state that I am not trying to be denigrating in any way. I am sure that there are still bands out there that are giving it their best and I haven't heard them all by any strech of the imagination.
I also want to state that I am not trying to be denigrating in any way. I am sure that there are still bands out there that are giving it their best and I haven't heard them all by any strech of the imagination.
No, thanks for the FYI I will definitely give them a listen.
I also want to state that I am not trying to be denigrating in any way. I am sure that there are still bands out there that are giving it their best and I haven't heard them all by any strech of the imagination.
I have been trying to get people to notice Rise Robots for years....let me know what you think!
Prog bands with greatest bassists...
(Technical prowess and NOT counting Zappa as prog [although a good argument can be made otherwise])
1. Tony MacAlpine - Billy Sheehan
3. Dream Theater - John Myung
4. King Crimson / Liquid Tension Experiment - Tony Levin
(Influence)
1. Yes - Chris Squire
2. Rush - Geddy Lee
(Technical prowess and NOT counting Zappa as prog [although a good argument can be made otherwise])
1. Tony MacAlpine - Billy Sheehan
3. Dream Theater - John Myung
4. King Crimson / Liquid Tension Experiment - Tony Levin
(Influence)
1. Yes - Chris Squire
2. Rush - Geddy Lee
I LOVE post-Gabriel Genesis, even more than Gabriel-era Genesis... to a point. I don't consider "the Phil Collins era" to officially begin until after "Duke." My second fave album of all time is "Wind and Wuthering," and "Trick of the Tail" is in my top 5, so yeah, I love Genesis just after Gabriel left more than before he was in the band, but then consider the Phil Collins post-Duke era to be the time when the band took a huge slide down (with few exceptions).
A lot of people overlook the departure of Hackett as a watershed as well, maybe even larger in some ways than the departure of Gabriel. After Gabriel left, the writing didn't really change that much (long complex gorgeous prog epics), but after he left, you have shorter catchier, more "accessible" tunes (And then there were three... followed by Duke).
Cool. Listening to: Invalid Link Removed, on Yootube for the first time. Sounds great so far. Thanks! I dig the fretless on track 2. You don't hear a lot of fretless in prog.
After listening to it their new album (twice), I just ordered the CD. Fantastic. Thanks again, man!
Stephen Stills. Check out the classic Crosby, Stills, and Nash if you somehow haven't already, and listen close to those basslines. They'll rip your face off, man.
I've been listening to (and playing bass to) a lot of Genesis this week. That morphed into listening to (and playing bass to) a lot of Marillion. To me, their early stuff was a bit like early Genesis. Pete Trewavas is incredible on bass. So, I thought I'd share my favorite Pete Trewavas prog, on You-tube for anyone interested.
Marillion - Script for a Jesters Tear - 1983 - Extended Full album
Marillion - Brave - 1994 - Full album playlist
Transatlantic - Live in America - 2000 - Full Show
Transatlantic - Kaleidoscope - 2014 - Full Album
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