can you use 150 free tips from carol kaye?

[mambo4]

Carol's "old school" approach is to give primacy to chord tones and arpeggios in your vocabulary of practice,
rather than applying a mode or scale to each chord.

Instead of practicing C Ionian, D dorian, E phrygian etc
you pratctice CEGB, DFAC, EGBD and so forth
In other words arpeggios up & down the scale.
This is what she means by her term "chordal scales"
(naturally there are passing tones in carol's exercises as well, but these are not explicitly drawn from scales or modes)

Carol asserts that back in the day nobody bothered with chord - scale formulas
and she is not the only musician with "old school" experience to assert this


If you google jazz theory, you you find endless discussions of modes
But if you google theory discussions of Charlie Parker, Coltrane et al you find discussions of chords...in my experience.

for what it's worth I think Carol is right on the money with that idea.

 

[Lownote38]

I won't start a huge debate about it. But, actually, I have met Geddy Lee, Nathan East, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, Stu Hamm, Dave LaRue, and countless others. With the exception of Stu, Dave, and Carol, they were all nothing short of gracious and warm.

That alone takes the three if them off of my "bass hero" list. Attitude kind of turned me off to Jaco as well.

I've met Carol, and she was nothing but gracious and nice to me and my classmates.

 

[lfmn16]

I've met Carol, and she was nothing but gracious and nice to me and my classmates.

She was extremely nice to me but I've heard about other experiences from TB members I trust that weren't so nice. However, the topic was "can you use these tips?," not "do you like Carol?"

I'm not too particular about the source of good advice, but don't judge people that are.

 

[Lownote38]

She was extremely nice to me but I've heard about other experiences from TB members I trust that weren't so nice. However, the topic was "can you use these tips?," not "do you like Carol?"

I'm not too particular about the source of good advice, but don't judge people that are.

I agree. I've learned a lot from Jeff Berlin, but he's not always the nicest person. That doesn't matter to me. I was just responding to someone who said Carol didn't treat them well, and I found it odd as my experience was completely different.

 

[lfmn16]

I agree. I've learned a lot from Jeff Berlin, but he's not always the nicest person. That doesn't matter to me. I was just responding to someone who said Carol didn't treat them well, and I found it odd as my experience was completely different.

+1

I had a guitarist friend who I thought was the nicest guy you'd ever meet. I always said he'd give you the shirt off his back and if he didn't have one he'd go borrow one for you. I was talking to someone in my other bands and I got a whole other side. I had absolutely no reason to not believe him, but I was shocked. Then one day he broke up the band in a text and hasn't returned a phone call since.

Anyway, I'm with you, I don't care if someone is a jerk if I can learn from them. Just as long as I don't learn to be a jerk from them.

 

[glocke1]

Direct link to the tips here:
The Official Carol Kaye Web Site

I used to frequent her website often 15 or so years ago, I haven't been there for ages.

There is a wealth of knowledge on that "tips" page, but the format makes it largely unreadable. No paragraphs at all.

 

[ErikP.Bass]

There's definitely a LOT of great information on her website for free (forum/tips) and in her books and DVDs. I took a few Skype lessons from her as well and she was very kind and encouraging. There's no denying that she's a wealth of knowledge given her resume. I try to read through these tips at least once a year.

I'm really digging what I've seen of Hal Galper as well. He seems like a great, no nonsense instructor that has great insights into personal musical development.