can you use 150 free tips from carol kaye?

[watt]

good people,

can you use 150 free tips from carol kaye? is so, go here:

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on bass, watt


mike watt's hoot page

 

[Drucifer]

Direct link to the tips here:
The Official Carol Kaye Web Site

 

[two fingers]

She's a legend who made a huge contribution to music.

I just can't get past the chip on her shoulder and her ENORMOUS ego long enough to gain anything from her.

 

[consectaneus]

Those tips have been an invaluable resource for me. I have read them several times and if you follow up on some of that theory it can keep you busy for a lifetime. This reminds me I have to hit her up again for some more materials (and more CK picks! I really like them).

 

[RustyAxe]

I can’t imagine I couldn’t learn something from a maestra. I’ll take a look.

 

[HD007]

Those tips have been an invaluable resource for me. I have read them several times and if you follow up on some of that theory it can keep you busy for a lifetime. This reminds me I have to hit her up again for some more materials (and more CK picks! I really like them).

I like her picks too!

She’s an incredible musician with a wealth of knowledge. There is much to learn from her.

 

[mambo4]

150 cut an pasted 20 year old responses from her web site forum, unorganized and unedited.
I do not doubt there are some gems, but I have no time for gem mining.

 

[consectaneus]

It's true she wrote those some time ago, but I don't remember seeing anything so dated that it no longer applies. I was just thinking about how years ago some of us would learn off of records, trying to slow it down mechanically, moving that needle back over and over. If we were lucky, some "legend" might write a book (or several in Carol's case). I don't think anyone envisioned a future technology where someone like that would be accessible in real time on an online forum and interested in answering questions for free. A lot of stuff was shrouded in mystery. As a Beach Boys fan growing up, I didn't know a lot of that bass was her, and I sure couldn't imagine an archive of her personal responses to hundreds of questions. People just complain about her ego, or that it's not all collated and organized in a time saving way. The information age really has spoiled us.

 

[leftiebass]

She's a legend who made a huge contribution to music.

I just can't get past the chip on her shoulder and her ENORMOUS ego long enough to gain anything from her.

Are your particular bass heroes free of ego and shoulder chips? She is very adamant about her approach and a number of things but I do think she also has a kind side. Not your cup of tea? I get that, just wanted to mention that there is another way to look at her. Best wishes. Plenty of great sources to go around

 

[Lobster11]

Are your particular bass heroes free of ego and shoulder chips? She is very adamant about her approach and a number of things but I do think she also has a kind side. Not your cup of tea? I get that, just wanted to mention that there is another way to look at her. Best wishes. Plenty of great sources to go around

Yes. Whatever you might think of her regarding other stuff, you can learn a ton from her about how to play bass. If you're not willing to do that, you're "just cutting off your nose to spite your face."

 

[two fingers]

Are your particular bass heroes free of ego and shoulder chips? She is very adamant about her approach and a number of things but I do think she also has a kind side. Not your cup of tea? I get that, just wanted to mention that there is another way to look at her. Best wishes. Plenty of great sources to go around

I won't start a huge debate about it. But, actually, I have met Geddy Lee, Nathan East, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, Stu Hamm, Dave LaRue, and countless others. With the exception of Stu, Dave, and Carol, they were all nothing short of gracious and warm.

That alone takes the three if them off of my "bass hero" list. Attitude kind of turned me off to Jaco as well.

 

[Lobster11]

I won't start a huge debate about it. But, actually, I have met Geddy Lee, Nathan East, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, Stu Hamm, Dave LaRue, and countless others. With the exception of Stu, Dave, and Carol, they were all nothing short of gracious and warm.

That alone takes the three if them off of my "bass hero" list. Attitude kind of turned me off to Jaco as well.

Good for you. But none of this is relevant to the question of whether Carol's "tips" for playing are good and useful.

 

[two fingers]

Good for you. But none of this is relevant to the question of whether Carol's "tips" for playing are good and useful.

Can't argue with that. Carry on.

 

[RNG1]

I just randomly read 49, seems pretty straightforward and with a good demeanor to me.

 

[mambo4]

I don't remember seeing anything so dated that it no longer applies.

You're correct: what she holds true for bass playing is timeless. It's the lack of organization and revision for a non-forum context that turns me off. For contrast I look to Gary Willis' 101 Bass tips which I suppose is not logically organized , but at least the tips are labeled reasonably for look up purposes. Of course, Gary's book ain't free. You get what you pay for.

 

[JRA]

carol kaye is the bomb and she worked her playing during a time when sexism wasn't just a topic of interest/debate, it was part/parcel of the social fabric. all of her tips can be useful for the beginner and most of them are good for more experienced players. good stuff from a good player/instructor.

With the exception of Stu, Dave, and Carol, they were all nothing short of gracious and warm.

you meet someone once and get an impression. you hang out with the same person and get a different impression. pretty common. did you 'hang' with any of those cats? thanks.

 

[HD007]

Her materials are full of good information.

There are books (and web sites, etc) that aren't, objectively speaking, well written or edited, but contain valuable information that supersedes those niceties. I grew up in the print era, and devoured many such books when I was hungry for knowledge on one topic or another.

For me, her materials are well worth the effort of sorting through them. Ultimately, we're on our own when it comes to learning our instruments, even when using ultra-organized, modern instructional materials.

I've taken some lessons from Carol and she is a stellar and accomplished musician. She is tough, but also encouraging and warm. She teaches an old-school approach to jazz improvisation that is quite different than the current scalar/modal approach and it has been fascinating to study this older method.

Anyway, I agree with the above statement that she is the bomb.

 

[byacey]

She was kind and open enough to provide this resource for anyone interested. What you choose to do with it is your decision. I don't think many can argue her success as a musician, so why not learn all you can from her?

I've seen many instances of musicians that want to improve their playing by taking instruction from a master, but the student is looking for shortcuts and doesn't put in the time, effort, and following direction. Generally these students don't advance very quickly, or at all.

 

[two fingers]

carol kaye is the bomb and she worked her playing during a time when sexism wasn't just a topic of interest/debate, it was part/parcel of the social fabric. all of her tips can be useful for the beginner and most of them are good for more experienced players. good stuff from a good player/instructor.


you meet someone once and get an impression. you hang out with the same person and get a different impression. pretty common. did you 'hang' with any of those cats? thanks.

I'm disengaging from the thread. It was (rightfully) pointed out that this conversation isn't helpful. So I'm out. Thanks.

 

[JRA]

I've taken some lessons from Carol and she is a stellar and accomplished musician. She is tough, but also encouraging and warm. She teaches an old-school approach to jazz improvisation that is quite different than the current scalar/modal approach and it has been fascinating to study this older method.

real cool! can you elaborate --- just a bit --- on that "old school approach." thanks.