I understand where he is going harmonically, and in a lot of the chordal work the intonation is right on the mark. But the single note lines are not pitched quite bright enough for me. There's hardly anything in it, and I do understand the amount of hours it takes to get to that level, I certainly don't expect 'perfect' intonation all of the way for sure. I think it would be much better, with a static reference. Lines.
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Cenk Erdogan - fretless classical baritone guitar player
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I understand where he is going harmonically, and in a lot of the chordal work the intonation is right on the mark. But the single note lines are not pitched quite bright enough for me. There's hardly anything in it, and I do understand the amount of hours it takes to get to that level, I certainly don't expect 'perfect' intonation all of the way for sure. I think it would be much better, with a static reference. Lines.
That's great. I loved classical Indian music from when I first heard it in high school, which inspired me to be open minded to music from other places too. I was lucky to play in a gamelan band in college (Indonesian percussion orchestra) and our leader was ethno-musicologist. She introduced me to lots of good music.
Turn on closed captions for a translation for a little more info about Cenk Erdogan.
You and American composer Harry Partch. He used a 43-tone scale of his own invention and designed an orchestra of instruments to perform with it. All his stopped strings had marked fingerboards. He actually commended on why he preferred markings, even for use with standard 12-tone music, in his book Genesis of a Music. He maintained intonation always improved with a marked fingerboard.
I prefer lines for fretless myself but I think its a personal thing. BTW the first vid I posted here, the description says it was his first time playing this guitar. He plays other fretless instruments also
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I encourage you to look up the countless threads were this is discussed
People already gave their opinions why in this thread but if you want to hear endless arguments about it there are plenty in the TB archives!
It took me three weeks to recover mentally from the last one. No forget that. All I'm saying is, why make things more difficult for yourself... Anyway, let us not speak of such things...
Same here. My gateway experiences were with LPs from a label called Folkways. The first two I remember listening to were a collection of classical Indian music (Ragas: Songs of India) and another titled: Arabic and Druse Music. I later added a bunch of titles from the sadly defunct Nonesuch label to my listening experiences.
Like you I was in a gamelan in college, plus a chorale, an Orff ensemble, a Medieval/Renaissance Collegium Musicum, and a number of experimental groups put together by myself and friends along with being in an original progrock group. Quite a ride. Amazing I graduated at all considering the amount of time I devoted to music despite me not being a music major. Thank all that is holy for good coffee and the occasional nicotine fix courtesy of Dunhill cigarettes and a fine blend of pipe tobacco I used to purchase (when I could afford it) from Leavitt and Pierce in Harvard Square. That - and being in my late teens/early twenties - got me through.
The cigarettes, pipe, and music ensembles you’ll only find in a large college town are long behind me. But the love of music (and a pot of freshly brewed coffee) have remained loyal friends to this day.
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Same here. My gateway experiences were with LPs from a label called Folkways. The first two I remember listening to were acollection of classical Indian music (Ragas: Songs of India) and another titled: Arabic and Druse Music. I later added a bunch of titles from the sadly defunct Nonesuch label to my listening experiences.
Like you I was in a gamelan in college, plus a chorale, an Orf ensemble, a Medieval/Renaissance Collegium Musicum, and a number of experimental groups put together by myself and friends along with being in an original progrock group. Quite a ride. Amazing I graduated at all considering the amount of time I devoted to music despite me not being a music major. Thank all that is holy for good coffee and the occasional nicotine fix courtesy of Dunhill cigarettes and a fine blend of pipe tobacco I used to purchase (when I could afford it) from Leavitt and Pierce in Harvard Square. That - and being in my kate teens/early twenties got me through.
The cigarettes, pipe, and music ensembles you’ll only find in a large college town are long behind me. But the love of music (and a pot of freshly brewed coffee) have remained loyal friends to this day.
Lol! Sounds like fun. I left the cigarettes and pipe behind after college too thank God.
I feel like you're kind of persevering on this issue!
Cenk is Turkish. Music in that part of the world often uses microtones: A lined mictotonal fingerboard would be a visual train-wreck IMNSHO.
Moreover, as someone who is also Turkish, everything sounds "right" and "in tune" to my ears. In that part of the world, string instruments are generally played with seriously wide vibrato and lots of glissando. Vocalists and instrumentalists will often slide certain notes ever so slightly flat. It's emotive in a way: almost like a strained vocal. You hear that in some Blues guitar players who bend certain notes slightly flat. Sometimes it just sounds cooler that way.
