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Cheap setup?

Discussion in 'Setup & Repair [DB]' started by chris4001asat, May 14, 2004.


  1. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    I bought a new, fully carved Knilling a year and a half ago at a going out of business sale. I never had it setup because the closest luthier was a good hour away, and I was just playing it for fun. I ventured into a mom and pop store that I'd never gone into before, and noticed an upright there. I asked the elderly man if they work on uprights, and he said he did. He used to play uprights in bands back in the day. I asked him how much a setup would be, and he said around $30, depending on what needed to be done. Should I take a chance on him and see? Or would that be a bad idea and just take it up to Detroit when I get the chance?
     
  2. Chasarms

    Chasarms Casual Observer

    May 24, 2001
    Bettendorf, IA USA
    I can't imagine that he's going to do a whole lot to it for $30. And, I am guessing that has to be zero materials.

    You sure he didn't think you were talking about a slab? :)
     
  3. MikeJacobs

    MikeJacobs

    Dec 28, 2003
    Adrian, MI.
    Uh... Chris,
    If your near Detroit take it Wilson's violins. Rob just did me a set up and replaced the sound post (kept moving around) and
    my DB now plays like butter. And I drove from Adrian in Lenawee County (about an hour and a half not counting rush hour on 696)
    Believe me it's worth it

    :D
     
  4. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Yeah, that's where I was going to go in Detroit. Do you know there hours up there? I'm down here in Toledo and couldn't get up there till 6:30 during the week.
     
  5. MikeJacobs

    MikeJacobs

    Dec 28, 2003
    Adrian, MI.
    Hmm I think their weekdays are 10:00am to 7:00pm
    and on Saturday they are 10:00 to 3:00.
    Take my advise and time your visit so that
    you don't hit 696 during rush hour. It turns into
    a freakin' parking lot in short order.

    Let me know if you have any more ????
     
  6. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Thanks Mike! Do you call first, or just show up?I talked to one guy the other day and he said Wilsons had his for several months. Does it normally take that long? He had an Kay plywood. How about Shars music up in Ann Arbor? Their hours are more convenient, and their website looks nice(the web doesn't lie you know!) :D
     
  7. MikeJacobs

    MikeJacobs

    Dec 28, 2003
    Adrian, MI.
    Hi Chris,
    I would call first and talk to Rob directly.
    I dropped mine off on a Tuesday and was able to get it back
    that Friday.
    As far as Shar Music goes...
    I bought my DB from them originally and it was labeled
    as a Franz Hoffmann. However, Rob quickly proved that
    their label was...shall we say "Not accurate" :eek:
    The DBthey sold me was actually a Christopher DB102T Laminated.(Yes I knew it was a laminated).
    When one of Robs' people
    brought an exact duplicate of my DB from their storeroom
    with a Christopher label, it was painfully obvious that they
    were not being honest in this regard.
    On the other hand, I wouldn't hesitate to buy sheet music
    or rosin (Carlsons) from them due to their being closer then
    Wilsons
     
  8. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Hi Mike

    Thanks for that tip. I got as far as emailing Wilsons a few months ago, but it came back undeliverable. I guess it's just time for me to get up off my behind and get something accomplished here! Thanks for your help.
     
  9. Actually, Shar was not being any more dishonest than a lot of other dealers. "House Brands" have been around for at least 100 years in this country. The way it works is that a Retailer will contract with a manufaturer to buy X number of instruments that will come either with the label that the retailer suppies or without a lablel so the retailer can add his own house label. Many German sounding names are coming out of China these days.
     
  10. MikeJacobs

    MikeJacobs

    Dec 28, 2003
    Adrian, MI.
    Chris:
    Glad I could help.

    BobB.
    Well...Maybe your right. I just can't help but be suspicoius(sp?)
    If I went to the used car lot and bought a car labeled "Chevy"
    I kind of expect it to be a Chevy and not a Ford.
    It makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable dealing with places
    that even have the appearance of dishonesty.
    I guess I just expect to much considering the state of today's
    world.

    Thanks
     
  11. Interesting that you should bring that analogy of cars into the discussion. What about all of the small cars that the major US companies imported from Japan labeled under their brand name? It isn't just todays world that has house brands, it's been going on since far before I was born and I would bet that I'm a bit older than you. The more import thing is - did Shar sell you a good bass? If they did, then what differece is it that it was made in the same factory that produces Christopher bass? BTW does Christopher sound like a Chinese name to you? Doesn't that sound a bit dishonest?
     
  12. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    Being a Toledoan, I would also recommend Gary Ritter up near Ann Arbor. You might get yourself some home-made venison jerky while you're there as well. Tell him I sent you.
     
  13. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Hi Ray, You wouldn't be any relation to Gene Parker?
     
  14. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    Aside from him being my dad?
     
  15. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Well shoot! I finally had the honor of playing a gig with him in January of this year. My dads an old time musician, so I've heard his name forever. Our sax player quit just before New Years and we needed a fill-in for our January gig. Our guitar player, who had just moved here a few years ago, said "Who's the old man?" We told him not to worry. He later said that was one of his funnest times on stage. It was quite the sight, our 6 foot 4 tattooed guitar player, and your 5 foot4 (?) dad, standing toe to toe, eyeball to navel, trading licks back and forth center stage. I almost asked him if he knew any upright luthiers, but I didn't want to let him in on what a hack I was :D
     
  16. anonymous0726

    anonymous0726 Guest

    Nov 4, 2001
    He's actually 5'6", but I won't tell him that you exaggerated...

    He is quite a presence.

    Gary's number is (734) 449-4021 and is in South Lyon, MI. I'm not sure what part of Toledo you're in, but he's about 20 minutes north of Ann Arbor right up 23 and may be close enough to help you out.
     
  17. John Sprague

    John Sprague Sam Shen's US Distributor

    Mar 10, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Sales Manager, CSC Products Inc.
    Today you will be hard-pressed to but a car that is from any one country. You can buy a Chevy that is 80% Japanese, and a Camry that is 65% US.

    Shop-of labels have been around forever (or as long as Branstetter has been around, whichever is longer ;) ), and where the ethical rubber meet the proverbial road is indicating country of origin. for instance, if you by a New Standard from Arnold, he will tell you upfront that it's parts are made in Germany and assembled in the US. Most "shop of" labels will say something like "This Amati copy made for the shop of KeeperOfStradsSecret Violin Shop, Anytown, USA. BEIJING, CHINA". Perfectly acceptable marketing practice. Now if it says Italy without mentioning "via Shanghai", then that dealer is what we call a "bad guy".
     
  18. John - I believe the "Shop of" labels you mentioned are a relatively recent version of the house brands I was talking about. I was referring to the ones that have a name of some non-existing or long deceased maker attached to it. They frequently have a name that is similar to, but not actually related to, a real violin or bow maker. The Ehrhardt Violin Identification and Price Guide volumes (published in the late 1970's) shows hundreds of (house brand) labels going back to the mid 1800's that have maker names that will not be found in any of the standard reference books such as Henley or Jalovec. Shar uses the name of a maker who died in 1849 for their house brand. St. Louis music uses the name of Karl Knilling, but I don't find Karl in my reference books. Regardless, it's certain that there is no one named on the label that actually makes the instruments any more than there is a guy named Chevrolet making the cars in Detroit.
     
  19. MikeJacobs

    MikeJacobs

    Dec 28, 2003
    Adrian, MI.
    Bob,
    I wasn't really talking about country of origin as much as I was
    talking about the appearance of impropieity(sp?) of labeling something(anything, really) as something other then what it is.
    I.E. If someone at a jewelry store sold you a Rolex watch
    and then you found out it was a cheap JC penny knock off
    Wouldn't that make you a little uncomfortable?

    As far as playability, Yeah it does what i expected for
    what I payed for it.

    So I guess in that regard maybe my judgement was a
    little OTT.

    My Apologies if I offended.
     
  20. chris4001asat

    chris4001asat

    Dec 16, 2002
    Toledo, Ohio
    Warehouse Manager : Reverend Guitars
    Thanks for the number and the info Ray. I think it's time to let my fingers do some walking.