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Class D Bass amp and cab recommendations

Mesa D800 is definitely one i'm considering. Premium price in Europe though!

At the risk of sounding like a snob, the 'made in USA' of the aguilar and mesa does hold some sway for me.

Cheers mmbongo!
I've played more than a few Class D heads (personally own a Bergantino B|AMP, which for me is just unmatched for the clean/uncolored sound and the versatility), and while I like both the MESA and the Aggy, the MESA is the king for me. It brings a lot of the old school grunt that the TH500 can churn out, but it doesn't lack in highs or lows (I could never get the Aggy totally out of the low midrange voice) and has more flexible tone controls (the "VOICE" control easily takes you from a flatter response, that brings out the growl and texture of your bass, to a scooped voice that sounds smooth and mastered). In my opinion, the MESA Subway D800 is the evolved version of the ToneHammer.
 
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I use a Genz Benz (Genzler's previous brand) Streamliner 900 I bought used as theyre no longer in business. It's very Ampeg ish, reminds me of old SVTs which isnt a bad thing although SVT wouldnt be my first choice. It has a 3 tube front end like a proper tube amp and is very versatile from driven sounds to warm and sweet. Ive had many amps and still have a dozen vintage amps incl a B15, a B25B, a Carlsbro 200TC 70s tube, Gretsch Superbass, Kustom 200, AMpeg 815, Fender PS 400 but the Genz is my main work amp usually thru 2x15s. Its 900W at about 3kg. You may not want a used amp though. I also loved my Peavey TMax its a hybrid but not class D and isnt superlight. Btw Melody Nelson bass was Dave Richmond (ex Manfred Mann) on a Burns Bison thru a bassman. Best! Steve
 
Hello, and welcome back to the basement, where we keep it cool and low!

Lots of fine recommendations on awesome heads (pricey ones often, too), but I've got a combo set that has been working absolutely incredibly well for me at a nice price.

I'm big on the 2x10 x2 vertical stack now, having auditioned 4-x10 box, 2x12, 1x15, and a few other configs by several makers. Currently, I run a mix of Ampeg and Hartke 2x10s, and while I'd love two Ampegs for their super light weight, that stack is the absolute best mix of bright punch and warmth I've found in my budget...and to be frank, a few hundred bucks BEYOND my budget.

But that aside, I run a GK 500 Fusion into them now. The Aguilar TH500 may be the finest head I know of in that range, but that doesn't mean I'm less than ecstatic about my Fusion, because it sounds fantastic and is ridiculously versatile. Like, I don't feel a need to trade for an Aguilar, though I like their sound that much. The 500 Fusion can do vintage rock and modern rock and funk and jazz and keep the styles coming, and it's blended with passive & active basses alike, with different onboard EQ controls, to no detriment.

I haven't played enough different signature cabs long enough to know *exactly* how my rig sounds against a MarkBass stack, or a Carvin stack, etc etc, but I know it wasn't very costly and sounds good enough that bass players in audiences have asked me how I get my mids to sound so tasty to the front row. And everyone shakes their booties to it, which they would to any decent rig, so ultimately, we all win if we land on the 1.
 
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Interesting that you find most Mesa demos are "slap and pop"... I find it difficult to find videos of strictly slap style using the D800.

The D800/D800+ is an extremely versatile head (as well as the Subway cabinets)

Just out of morbid curiosity... is it you hate the technique because you can't/won't/don't understand it? Or is it something else?
 
I use a Genz Benz (Genzler's previous brand) Streamliner 900 I bought used as theyre no longer in business. It's very Ampeg ish, reminds me of old SVTs which isnt a bad thing although SVT wouldnt be my first choice. It has a 3 tube front end like a proper tube amp and is very versatile from driven sounds to warm and sweet. Ive had many amps and still have a dozen vintage amps incl a B15, a B25B, a Carlsbro 200TC 70s tube, Gretsch Superbass, Kustom 200, AMpeg 815, Fender PS 400 but the Genz is my main work amp usually thru 2x15s. Its 900W at about 3kg. You may not want a used amp though. I also loved my Peavey TMax its a hybrid but not class D and isnt superlight. Btw Melody Nelson bass was Dave Richmond (ex Manfred Mann) on a Burns Bison thru a bassman. Best! Steve

Thanks for your recommendations, Steve! Wow! I had no idea it was Dave Richmond who played on Melody Nelson. Looks like he also played another of my favourite Gainsbourg bass parts, '69 Annee Erotique'. Cheers for the heads-up!
 
Interesting that you find most Mesa demos are "slap and pop"... I find it difficult to find videos of strictly slap style using the D800.

The D800/D800+ is an extremely versatile head (as well as the Subway cabinets)

Just out of morbid curiosity... is it you hate the technique because you can't/won't/don't understand it? Or is it something else?

The D800/D800+ is definitely on my list to try out!

My dislike of slap 'n pop bass is nothing to do with understanding the technique, more to do with the sound and the genres of music it's associated with! I have the same aversion to the shredding/tapping techniques on guitar. I don't mind some of the more subtle playing and enjoy Larry Graham's playing with The Family Stone. Just personal taste. I do find it mildly irritating that a large percentage of bass gear demos on youtube feature this style of playing though.
 
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I would suggest you need more than a single 112 for small to medium-sized gigs. A 112 will work fine for small gigs but will disappear quickly on most medium-size gigs. I would suggest getting either a 210, a 212, or two of the 112 cabs. The 2 x 112 cabs is very flexible because you take along only what you need. Also 2 x 112 ALWAYS sounds better than a single 112 because of the sonic coupling. The low end just sounds much better with two of those 12's punching it out.

Below is a link to a BassMusicianMagazine.com video review of the DNA 112 and 210 run by the DNA-800 amp. It gives you a nice comparison of a really good 112 vs a really good 210, run through the same amp. I think it's very demonstrative of the 1 speaker vs 2 speaker sound. A little over 4-minutes into it they'll get into the review of the amp itself. I'd pay particular attention to the demo of that DNA-800 amp. It's 300-watts more than the amp you're looking at and includes a very nice and adjustable compressor for just $50 more ($749 vs Aquilar's $699). So it will give you some extra head room; some room for growth, and it weighs 4.8-lbs.

The DNA is definitely something I want to try! Thanks to all for recommending it.

I did wonder whether a 112 cab would be enough but I guess I could always add another one should it prove a problem.
 
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Money is no object?

Darkglass Microtubes 900. The head will give you the modern tone and the vintage tone. It also covers modern and vintage distortions well.

The challenge with this head is that you need something that can faithfully reproduce the tone. I recommend the Bergantino HDN212.

Total price? Approximately $2600.
 
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Money is no object?

Darkglass Microtubes 900. The head will give you the modern tone and the vintage tone. It also covers modern and vintage distortions well.

The challenge with this head is that you need something that can faithfully reproduce the tone. I recommend the Bergantino HDN212.

Total price? Approximately $2600.

I have considered the Darkglass, it's easily available in Europe and appears to be a good build quality typical of Finnish goods. However, it seems more suited to a Heavy Metal distortion style which doesn't appeal. Happy to be proved wrong if it isn't!
 
Mesa D-800 is my vote.

Plenty of power with unmatched faux tube tone at this price point.

And the DI is definitely top notch - which, IMHO, is a "must have" for live / recording work.
 
I need tubes with my Class D. Something was missing for me with the Mesa D800. Found my answer with a Genz Benz Streamliner 900 - real tubed tone. GB no longer in business but they show up here all the time used (~ $600). A big +1 on Barefaced cabinets, any of them - positively perfect.

I'll second Deep End and a few others I'm sure. The GB Streamliner 900 is a great bang for your buck bass amp. When I a/b it with my Ampeg, it doesn't quite have the over tones, shimmer, of the 'pig', but it's close enough for gov't work.
 
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Hmm. I would have expected more input from the MarkBass community by now, given that they are homed in Italy.

The LittleMark amp heads (II, III, 800, Tube 800) are all stellar performers, in my humble opinion. Loud, versatile, lightweight, and robustly indifferent to abuse. But they are still relatively expensive new.

Once upon a time, they were the cutting edge of class-D bass amps, and it was worth it (at least to me) to pay full price for a LittleMark II. (That would have been right after Guitar Center started selling MarkBass products in the US, sometime in the mid-2000s.) I developed a great fondness for the sound, which I would characterize as transparent and very responsive (no sag, squish, or bloom, just faithful reproduction of the input). I now own several more of them, and several have passed through my hands.

The EQ stack, and the so-called "Marcus" and "Jaco" voicing knobs (VLE/VPE), cover a very wide spectrum of tones. I have yet to encounter a venue or style I can't cope with with a LittleMark (yes, including slap -- sorry). The 800 and Tube 800 offer more output power, and the Tube 800 has a tube pre that dirties up the tone in a musical way (but won't get you into super-distorto metal or sludge territory without pedal help). All models have DI out. Some (the III, for instance), have controllable DI output gain, and the ability to switch it between pre- and post-EQ.

I haven't played a venue yet where a LittleMark (or two) couldn't keep up, given a decent cab (or two), from cafes to outdoor festivals. And my view is that if you reach the point of needing a kilowatt of output power and a whole pile of cabs, you're probably in a venue where it makes more sense to go through FOH anyway...at which point your bass amp is just for stage monitoring purposes.

Nowadays, it is fairly easy to find used LittleMark heads at reasonable prices (under $US500). And I'm confident enough about their robustness that I'll buy them online, sight unseen. Pretty hard to kill them or break them to an unusable degree, although I've had to do a bit of connector repair on two of the used ones I bought. I currently own five LittleMarks; but for gigging, I stick with my original LMII, and an LMIII I bought used a couple years ago.

Okay, but that's just me and my biases. I got into MarkBass gear early, liked it, got used to it, and don't feel a need to change. Is there better and cheaper stuff out there now (20 years later)?

Of course there is. I've played or owned a sampling of the newer class-Ds: Hartke, GenzBenz/Genzler, TC, Aguilar, EBS, Quilter, Carvin, and others. I like them all, for different reasons, (although some ineffable thing about the TC gear makes me a little nervous on build quality and robustness). All I can say is, I keep going back to my LittleMarks. (I do have a lot of respect for, and good experience with, Carvin gear, BTW. Not sure how easy it is to buy outside the US.)

Other folks on this thread can better address the amp brands and models I'm not familiar with, or don't use for regular gigging. There's already been good advice and useful observations from them.

And I'm agnostic about cab brands and models. I favor smaller cabs, neo drivers, and a more hi-fi sound, but others have good reasons to make different choices. All I care about, with cabs, is: can it handle the wattage I throw at it? can I carry and maneuver it into hard-to-access venues without a hand truck or a road crew? does it color my sound in a way I like, or not color it at all? Brands and models mentioned on this thread, especially Euro-centric ones, are all good choices, but in the end, it all comes down to availability, budget, and your ears.

Having made the jump to class-D amps, there's no way I'm going back. An amp that is lighter and smaller than my song/chart book? Can't beat that. I hope never to lift an SVT again in my lifetime. :)
 
I'll also chime in on the Genzler MG800. I use one and love it. For what you're playing it's perfect as it really doesn't do any coloring and allows pure bass tone to come through. A good Hofner sounds stellar through it. Forca can I'd recommend the BA12-3 as it gives fantastic range although any of the Genzler cabs are great. I know that out you s but over budget but it's worth it. With that amount of watts you'll be set for about any gig just add extra cabs for big shows but most of those will offer FOH support anywa. The BA cabs mic great too.
 
For amps the Mesa and Genzler are both great, but I also really liked the Quilter Bass Block when I used one on backline. You'd have to add a pedal to provide drive/grit/overdrive tones.

For the cabinet the hand built super cabs are simply amazing. Barefaced is based in the UK and you could get a very high performance, yet lightweight bass cabinet from them. Other options are Greenboy Fearless and Audio Kinesis and Mike Arnopol. Lots to search here on those brands.

These "super cabs" are more expensive than the Aggie 112, but comparably sized cabs by these makers will also seriously outperform the Aggie. The Genzler and Mesa speaker cabs are also better than the Aggie in my opinion. The Genzler 112 plus line array cab is pretty sweet sounding, although I am not sure how much power it can handle compared to custom builds I mentioned.
 
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Hmm. I would have expected more input from the MarkBass community by now, given that they are homed in Italy.

The LittleMark amp heads (II, III, 800, Tube 800) are all stellar performers, in my humble opinion. Loud, versatile, lightweight, and robustly indifferent to abuse. But they are still relatively expensive new.

Once upon a time, they were the cutting edge of class-D bass amps, and it was worth it (at least to me) to pay full price for a LittleMark II. (That would have been right after Guitar Center started selling MarkBass products in the US, sometime in the mid-2000s.) I developed a great fondness for the sound, which I would characterize as transparent and very responsive (no sag, squish, or bloom, just faithful reproduction of the input). I now own several more of them, and several have passed through my hands.

The EQ stack, and the so-called "Marcus" and "Jaco" voicing knobs (VLE/VPE), cover a very wide spectrum of tones. I have yet to encounter a venue or style I can't cope with with a LittleMark (yes, including slap -- sorry). The 800 and Tube 800 offer more output power, and the Tube 800 has a tube pre that dirties up the tone in a musical way (but won't get you into super-distorto metal or sludge territory without pedal help). All models have DI out. Some (the III, for instance), have controllable DI output gain, and the ability to switch it between pre- and post-EQ.

I haven't played a venue yet where a LittleMark (or two) couldn't keep up, given a decent cab (or two), from cafes to outdoor festivals. And my view is that if you reach the point of needing a kilowatt of output power and a whole pile of cabs, you're probably in a venue where it makes more sense to go through FOH anyway...at which point your bass amp is just for stage monitoring purposes.

Nowadays, it is fairly easy to find used LittleMark heads at reasonable prices (under $US500). And I'm confident enough about their robustness that I'll buy them online, sight unseen. Pretty hard to kill them or break them to an unusable degree, although I've had to do a bit of connector repair on two of the used ones I bought. I currently own five LittleMarks; but for gigging, I stick with my original LMII, and an LMIII I bought used a couple years ago.

Okay, but that's just me and my biases. I got into MarkBass gear early, liked it, got used to it, and don't feel a need to change. Is there better and cheaper stuff out there now (20 years later)?

Of course there is. I've played or owned a sampling of the newer class-Ds: Hartke, GenzBenz/Genzler, TC, Aguilar, EBS, Quilter, Carvin, and others. I like them all, for different reasons, (although some ineffable thing about the TC gear makes me a little nervous on build quality and robustness). All I can say is, I keep going back to my LittleMarks. (I do have a lot of respect for, and good experience with, Carvin gear, BTW. Not sure how easy it is to buy outside the US.)

Other folks on this thread can better address the amp brands and models I'm not familiar with, or don't use for regular gigging. There's already been good advice and useful observations from them.

And I'm agnostic about cab brands and models. I favor smaller cabs, neo drivers, and a more hi-fi sound, but others have good reasons to make different choices. All I care about, with cabs, is: can it handle the wattage I throw at it? can I carry and maneuver it into hard-to-access venues without a hand truck or a road crew? does it color my sound in a way I like, or not color it at all? Brands and models mentioned on this thread, especially Euro-centric ones, are all good choices, but in the end, it all comes down to availability, budget, and your ears.

Having made the jump to class-D amps, there's no way I'm going back. An amp that is lighter and smaller than my song/chart book? Can't beat that. I hope never to lift an SVT again in my lifetime. :)

Thanks Yemhek, for such a detailed and informative post!

I must admit the "Marcus" and "Jaco" voicing knobs, set the old alarm bells ringing!

I'm very much looking for an old school tube sound as per the influences specified in my original post.
 
Thanks Yemhek, for such a detailed and informative post!

I must admit the "Marcus" and "Jaco" voicing knobs, set the old alarm bells ringing!

I'm very much looking for an old school tube sound as per the influences specified in my original post.

I can relate to that.

Then, to be honest, MarkBass might not be your first choice. Me, I like a powerful hi-fi amp head that does not color my sound unless I need it to. For everything else, I use pedals. For grit and warmth, specifically, I use an EBS Billy Sheehan Signature Drive Deluxe, an Xotic BB Bass pre, and a Wampler Velvet Fuzz.
 

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