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CN212 tweeter too harsh

DirtPoorRobins

DirtPoorRobins

Apr 18, 2005
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I love my bergantino cn212 a lot, I love everything about the tone except the highs. For me they are too harsh when the cab really gets cranking. I also like a bright tone, so if I ever boost treble, it's just painful. I love the tweeter and highs of my tc112 cab and big e cabs. Is it possible to just get a new higher end tweeter for the berg, or would the cross over have to be redesigned?
 
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DirtPoorRobins said:
I love my bergantino cn212 a lot, I love everything about the tone except the highs. For me they are too harsh when the cab really gets cranking. I also like a bright tone, so if I ever boost treble, it's just painful. I love the tweeter and highs of my tc112 cab and big e cabs. Is it possible to just get a new higher end tweeter for the berg, or would the cross over have to be redesigned?
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What does it do when you roll back or turn off the tweeter?
 
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That's not a bad tweeter in there. I believe it's a P-Audio unit that is also used in many other cabs. Jim Bergantino is, in my book, one of the best crossover designers out there. With this in mind, are you sure that it's the tweeter's fault, or is it just accurately reproducing something that's already there, "upstream?"

That being said, I do slightly prefer the tweeters he used in most of the HT line of cabs, but I believe that tweeter is no longer available.

It might be possible to find another tweeter that would work fairly well with the crossover as it is currently designed. If not, though, then yes, you'd likely need a different crossover if you went to a different tweeter. But then it wouldn't really be a Bergantino, as I think a lot of the "Bergie magic" lies in that crossover.

The CN212 is in fairly high demand, so if it doesn't float your boat, you should be able to move it fairly easy.
 
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tombowlus said:
That being said, I do slightly prefer the tweeters he used in most of the HT line of cabs, but I believe that tweeter is no longer available.

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+1! I recently had a HD112 and compared it to my HT112ER I much preferred the HT.

btw, I recently had to replace the diaphragm in my HT tweeter and in the process researched other tweeters. The same company that made the old HT tweeter makes another that is very similar. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it and I'll have to pull my tweeter to get the company name again.
 
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Tom, I love the low end grunt and grind of the cab, just not the highs. I want the best of both worlds, the grunt and grind of the berg with the highs of the thunderchild.

Also it's probably not the signal chain, I've run my dual coil fodera through my glockenklang blue sky and blue soul and those are pretty crystal smooth combos in the highs.
 
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DirtPoorRobins said:
Tom I've also been thinking about either a fearless 112 or Hathor 1203. Trying to get that grunt and grind like the berg but with smoother highs.
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I have not tried the fearless 112, but I was about to recommend that you check out the Hathor 1203.
 
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Before you spend anything, try this--find some black neoprene rubber, like from an old soft computer mouse pad, and cut a piece to fit over the tweeter. It might give you the sound you're looking for and is totally reversible if you don't like it. I've tamed a couple of nonadjustable tweeters that way and really liked the result. Good luck, Bob
 
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I think the xover in the CN212 is a little lower than 3.5 kHz I'd try that 4khz high pass xover from Orange County Speaker repair thats a pretty inexpensive way to experiment. Currently there is no 1" screw on tweeter flare that's a match for that existing tweeter size so your tweeter replacement options are limited.
 
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Low Class said:
+1! I recently had a HD112 and compared it to my HT112ER I much preferred the HT.

btw, I recently had to replace the diaphragm in my HT tweeter and in the process researched other tweeters. The same company that made the old HT tweeter makes another that is very similar. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it and I'll have to pull my tweeter to get the company name again.
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B&C
 
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In a word, probably. But the high mids on the HT112/ER are subdued (beneath the crossover point) One reason the CN112/212 works well is the Faital 12' are very robust throughout the mids. Honestly I think a speaker reflects what you put in it, I've sold more speaker cabs that I later regretted because I making all my judgements based on the assumption that everything else in my signal chain was beyond reproach or further inspection. The crossover in the CN212 MIGHT be 3khz vs 3.5khz in the HD112 but I'm just spitballing here. Anyway, either way it's minor. The HT series has that hi-fi thing going on and I used to be all about that. Try it. But if you have access to an eq pedal and can dial OUT some 2.5- 3.0 kHz, you might like what you hear better, especially if you boost above 4khz at the same time. Sonic surgery.
 
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Depending on what frequencies are bugging you, a paper cone driver might sound better. I have latched onto the H1203, but still like the ML112. You don't get the upper air that a tweeter gives but I prefer the sound of the mids/highs with either the 3" or 6" cone vs a tweeter. Ymmv though - every design is a compromise.
 
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