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- Thread starter JimmyM
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I wonder how bummed he is now that Stedman is teaching his 9 steps to financial success at Full Sail. I can give you the short version:
1. Meet Oprah, invite her on a date.
2-8. Have sex with her 7 times.
9. Agree with every stupid thing she says after that.
Success!
1. Meet Oprah, invite her on a date.
2-8. Have sex with her 7 times.
9. Agree with every stupid thing she says after that.
Success!
say what you want about the lengths of waveforms.. they said it, it made plenty of sense, so i went with it.
just because they didnt talk about bass doesnt mean i dont know bass. they would never imply that some cheapo DI beats an avalon every time. they never told us any one product was better sounding than any other. its up for us to decide what sounds good.
as far as their curriculum goes, i feel that they should have spent more time on the tracking and mixing aspect altogether. we got 2 legit sessions, and we were running one of them. a little light on the recording. regardless, the things i learned there were invaluable.
i never implied that anyone who didnt go to FS didnt know what they were talking about. i said i was taught by professionals, and regarding that issue, i considered myself to be a credible source of information, and those less qualified should stop throwing around theories and hearsay.
your comment was a cheap shot and was completely uncalled for.
and im not currently working in audio because im broke, and the intern thing doesnt really work for people who cant support themselves between waiting hand and foot on a studio, making coffee, and sleeping. when im remotely financially stable, i will officially enter the industry. as of now, im making some money doing mobile recording and people are loving my product for the price.
just because they didnt talk about bass doesnt mean i dont know bass. they would never imply that some cheapo DI beats an avalon every time. they never told us any one product was better sounding than any other. its up for us to decide what sounds good.
as far as their curriculum goes, i feel that they should have spent more time on the tracking and mixing aspect altogether. we got 2 legit sessions, and we were running one of them. a little light on the recording. regardless, the things i learned there were invaluable.
i never implied that anyone who didnt go to FS didnt know what they were talking about. i said i was taught by professionals, and regarding that issue, i considered myself to be a credible source of information, and those less qualified should stop throwing around theories and hearsay.
your comment was a cheap shot and was completely uncalled for.
and im not currently working in audio because im broke, and the intern thing doesnt really work for people who cant support themselves between waiting hand and foot on a studio, making coffee, and sleeping. when im remotely financially stable, i will officially enter the industry. as of now, im making some money doing mobile recording and people are loving my product for the price.
sure, here's my method:Wow! I wonder if I can apply that to bass playing!
1. play music
2. ???
3. profit!
i wonder, though.
yes, legit consoles have polarity flip buttons so the FOH guy can get what he wants either way, but what about onstage?
i'm gathering that you get to play on bigger stages, but don't use much amp stage volume. that means there isn't so much potential for conflict out front, but i wonder if you're getting low end resonance from the mains that's in the best "direction" for you?
Terrific! Glad you've got a couple irons in the fire going. But it wasn't a cheap shot at all...it was the experience I've had with almost every Full Sail grad who's just out of the school...they come out of that school thinking they are now full-blown musical technicians and they know way more than anyone else. And nothing could be farther from the truth. Your degree, while being an accomplishment, does not make you a genius music producer or expert on pro audio. So stop getting offended.
you've had. thats a pretty narrow focus, even if you've met 100 of them. they graduate 1200+ recording arts kids a YEAR. the biggest problem is that theres no entrance exam.. making sure they can read and all. its normally the hip-hop kids with the attitude.
the school doesnt fill us the the confidence that we can take over the world. they assure us plenty of times that the education is a jumping off point. those who come out of there head full of steam and piss you off are the ones that were already a-holes to start.
it would be like me saying that all OSU kids are horrible drunks. sure, its a notorious party school, and ive watched that atmosphere change a few people i know for the worse, but i cant lay that sort of stereotype on EVERY OSU grad. you ought to follow my lead and stop trashing a school that is nothing short of miraculous. ego-fueled tools or not, anyone who makes it out of there alive is a hell of a human being.
In the 20 plus years I have been using 85's, I have never had a phase issue with them.
Good luck, as I'm sure you know it's a tough biz being in production(particularly on the studio side since every bedroom has one now) or playing, especially if you try to do it full time. You just have to love it and make LOTS of sacrifices.
Don't take stuff so personal, Full Sail creates its own reputation in the industry (partly from like you said, due to the amount of kids they churn out) that's just how it is, like it or not...
Don't know. Doesn't seem to be any noticeable detrimental effects to my tone.
And yes, I do a lot of large stages, and very small ones as well. And I do play pretty quietly most of the time. Even when I think I'm screaming loud, by comparison to some on here it's pretty quiet.
Word. And I have seen it from the beginning when they were churning out 15 students in a semester working out of an (extremely nice) home studio. I did a week-long session in there in their first or second year, and got into an argument with a kid because he was making my bass sound plinky and weak and blaming me for having new rounds on it.Good luck, as I'm sure you know it's a tough biz being in production(particularly on the studio side since every bedroom has one now) or playing, especially if you try to do it full time. You just have to love it and make LOTS of sacrifices.
Don't take stuff so personal, Full Sail creates its own reputation in the industry (partly from like you said, due to the amount of kids they churn out) that's just how it is, like it or not...
Yes, not all FS grads are arrogant. But I've met a buttload who are. And to be honest, SA, you're a decent enough dude, but you did Full Sail no favors when you told a guy who has been working at the highest levels of pro audio since before your parents were out of their Huggies that he should shut up and take notes because you have a degree. So next time you want to get on my ass because of a comment about Full Sail I may make in the future, just remember that you've helped me make my point more than once.
You just did it again, too...if I may:
"ego-fueled tools or not, anyone who makes it out of there alive is a hell of a human being."
No, anyone who makes it out of war zones, or police shootouts, or burning buildings with a kid in their hands, or a hospital after saving someone from dying, is a hell of a human being. You just went to music engineering school.
thats a short period of turmoil (maybe in a war situation, long periods).
but as far as living and trying to learn under those conditions with THAT schedule, its not easy. i watched psychological breakdowns in slow motion. i almost didnt make it because my personal life was such a mess, and i couldnt find an hour of my day to myself. say what you want about what they teach us, but you have no place to doubt a full sail grad's ability to persevere.
Glad you made it. Go work in an ER from 11pm-7am then goto Paramedic school from 8-5 M-F for a year and half. Then we'll talk about stress..
How dare you downplay the significance of what people go through in those situations! Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever worked in a hospital in a life-saving capacity? The gall that it takes to downplay the hell those people go through and put yourself on a level with them because you went to music school and had to study a lot is truly astounding. Shame on you.
The funny part of when I did that was I was in the Army at the time. When I finished I found out I was an experiment, all the other EMTs that went to medic school after me just had to goto school only! 
Oh well, I did it for myself anyway, not them.
I would have loved something as easy as audio school!
Oh well, I did it for myself anyway, not them. I would have loved something as easy as audio school!
Word again. Musicians are pussies. Sure, we serve a purpose on this earth, but compared to guys like you and gals like my wife (charge nurse for a critical care unit at a local hospital), we're pussies.The funny part of when I did that was I was in the Army at the time. When I finished I found out I was an experiment, all the other EMTs that went to medic school after me just had to goto school only!
