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Converting 6 string to 7 string

Feb 17, 2008
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Question for luthiers:

Summary: What's the feasability of converting a wide spaced 6 string (fretted) bass into a quite narrowly spaced 7 string?

Background: I just bought a Conklin Groove Tools (Korean budget line) GT-7 seven string bass.
I wanted to try 7 string to see if my idea of tuning it like a guitar plus a low B works for me. (B E A D G B E) It does! I love being able to grab guitar chord voicings up the neck.

But the GT-7's low B is not happening -- not to my satisfaction. And the tuning at the top of the neck is poor. Of course the hardware and electronics are pretty "budget", too. It's fine for what it is -- a starter ERB; but to me it's obvious it's built to a price. Even if I threw a bunch of upgrades at it, the pitch focus of the low B would probably never satisfy me.

I've been thinking about ordering a higher end 7 string. But the price of getting what I want is daunting; as would be the build's waiting period.

Then the idea of converting a wide-neck 6 string occurred to me.
A lot of fine 6's turn up in the classified at good prices; and of course there's no build time, just a repair/mod time.

My math:

On a 19mm-at-the-bridge 6, the distance between outer string centres should be 19 x 5 spaces = 95mm.
To redistribute that space between 7 strings: 95mm / 6 spaces = 15.83, or:
Just under 16mm string spacing at the bridge.

It just so happens that I like very tight string spacing!

The considerations I've thought of are:

1) - Is there enough space to put an extra tuner on the headstock;
2) - Are the pickups the type with even horizontal sensitivity -- i.e. blade type rather than pole-piece; and
3) - What bridges are available for that tight spacing; and are there issues retrofitting over the rout for the old bridge. (Possibly 7 separate bridge-per-string units, if necessary? Like the higher end Ibanez' have.)

Just so you know: Although I really appreciate the look of a beautiful bass, for my own working instruments I don't care if it looks flawed or butchered. No problem if the bridge or extra tuner or a pickup swap creates gaps or exposed routs. For me, my basses are musical tools.

Many thanks in advance for any feedback, ideas, or suggestions!

- Peter
 
Done it before going 4 to a 5. Added a tuning peg, and had a custom bridge made for the right spacing, changed the nut, and all was good.
Pickup I didn't change at all. ( EMG Pbass) And I have no tone/sound/signal issues at all. Zero, nada, zilch, bupkiss.
Go for it.
 
Call me crazy but I think you have an intonation issue if it plays out of tune up the neck, that might also help out your B string issue too.
Give the Conklin a chance, I certainly would before shrinking the string spacing, but I like wider spacing.

To answer your numbered questions:
1) Depends on the headstock
2) That's always a concern
3) Hipshot has I think 3 spacings, or you could use individual bridges

Good luck,
Dirk
 
Thanks for your thoughts Dirk,

The deal breaker on the Conklin: Even with a high-quality low B string, it just doesn't make it for me. Two wooly, and doesn't match the higher strings at all.

I know how to set intonation at the bridge. No use -- the high frets are not precisely placed, so any adjustment is a compromise.
Could be fixed, as could other issued; but I'm skeptical about fixing this semi-budget bass's low B.

I appreciate any and all comments! :^)

- Peter

Call me crazy but I think you have an intonation issue if it plays out of tune up the neck, that might also help out your B string issue too.
Give the Conklin a chance, I certainly would before shrinking the string spacing, but I like wider spacing.

To answer your numbered questions:
1) Depends on the headstock
2) That's always a concern
3) Hipshot has I think 3 spacings, or you could use individual bridges

Good luck,
Dirk
 
Done it before going 4 to a 5. Added a tuning peg, and had a custom bridge made for the right spacing, changed the nut, and all was good.
Pickup I didn't change at all. ( EMG Pbass) And I have no tone/sound/signal issues at all. Zero, nada, zilch, bupkiss.
Go for it.

Thanks for the encouragement!

What I'm wondering about is some common pickups that don't have exposed pole pieces -- for instance, Bartolinis. Do they have blades underneath, or just hidden pole pieces??

- Peter
 
I've converted 4s to 5 and 5s to 6. I've also built a 7 string bass. On the 7 I used EMG 45s with good results. Barts would probably work too. You just have to make sure your string spacing isn't wider that the width of the pickup's range.
Most Barts have one or 2 wide blades, but there are some that have a split blade. That type will have a dead spot between the blades, so you need to know which type you are getting.
 
I did it with a Peavey TL6 (now a TL7). Perfect candidate for the job -- wide nut, Kahler bridge which accepts an additional saddle, and a good place on the headstock for an extra tuning machine. Only problem: additional tension -- must use very light gauge strings to prevent neck bow.
 
Thanks for the encouragement!

What I'm wondering about is some common pickups that don't have exposed pole pieces -- for instance, Bartolinis. Do they have blades underneath, or just hidden pole pieces??

- Peter

Almost all Bartolinis have blade polepieces. However, you still need to check into the coil arrangement of the specific pickup you're looking at. Dual-coil "side by side" humbuckers would be fine, but if they are split coils designed for a 6-string, they would typically be configured with two equal-sized coils, covering 3 strings each. That leaves a gap in the center, right under where the middle string would be if you switched to 7 strings.

Mike
 
I did it with a Peavey TL6 (now a TL7). Perfect candidate for the job -- wide nut, Kahler bridge which accepts an additional saddle, and a good place on the headstock for an extra tuning machine. Only problem: additional tension -- must use very light gauge strings to prevent neck bow.

Shouldn't be a problem if your Peavey has dual truss rods.
 
Hey, thanks for the additional comments and pointers, everybody.
Good to know about the Bart split blade set up -- that's exactly the kind of thing I was hoping to catch drift of.

Anyway, I'm still mulling it over, and keeping an eye out for suitable candidate basses. If anyone thinks of anything else, I'm all ears!

- Peter