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Cover Charge? What Cover Charge?

Sure, it was slimy as heck what they pulled and I'd let them know and blacklist the booking team

How is that "slimy"???

They decided to have a cover charge as a business decision. The bar doesn't have to provide accounting for that or justify it.

That's almost like saying "This bar used to have 1/2 price drink specials, and we noticed they stopped having them. We have at least a dozen witnesses that will testify to being told that they stopped having specials because of the band. They're taking in more money and we're not seeing a dime of it. Fraud! Libel! Sliminess!"
 
How is that "slimy"???

They decided to have a cover charge as a business decision. The bar doesn't have to provide accounting for that or justify it.

That's almost like saying "This bar used to have 1/2 price drink specials, and we noticed they stopped having them. We have at least a dozen witnesses that will testify to being told that they stopped having specials because of the band. They're taking in more money and we're not seeing a dime of it. Fraud! Libel! Sliminess!"

I was just going on what the OP posted, hadn't read all the discussion about flat rate vs contract etc, I agree if a flat rate was accepted then there is nothing wrong with the venue charging door for themselves. Now what does appear to have happened is a breakdown in communication and/or understanding of terms between the venue and the band, that seems to be the real problem. Having a contract probably would avoid that problem in the future.
 
Yep. The "legal eagle"in your band added 2+2 and came up with 75...... and a hand grenade.

First off, you have SECOND HAND information about what the guy at the door said.

Second, there is only a SLIGHT difference between saying "The cover charge is for the band" and saying "The cover charge GOES TO THE BAND". But they are different statements. The former only means they are charging a cover BECAUSE they booked a band. The latter means that the money goes to you. You will have a REALLY tough time proving the either in court.

Third, this is WAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to handle than threatening a law suit. You simply TALK to the manager of the place. You simply SAY to him, "Hey big guy. Some of our fans got confused last time we played here. They had never been charged a cover here before. And they were told that the money was going to us. Can you do me a favor and clean that up for us this time? We don't want our fans thinking that WE are charging them a cover. Thanks." Simple as that.

The person who even suggested filing suit against the club is in LAW ENFORCEMENT????? PLEASE tell me he doesn't get to wear a side arm. If he does, I want nothing to do with his town. If he is that quick to be "out for blood" as you put it, then he is a total hot head....... and most likely an idiot. People like that and bullets usually make for a bad combination.

Lighten up. Straighten it out like a GROWNUP. A very simple, calm conversation should clear all this up.

As for an "agreement" with the club, it really doesn't matter. Unless your contract STIPULATES in plain English that the club CAN NOT charge a cover when you play, then they can do whatever they want. They can ONLY charge a cover when YOU play and no other time if they wish. Hell, they can mandate that only people with tucked in orange shirts can come in when you play. That's really none of your business as long as they pay you the agreed upon amount.

Calm down and have ANYBODY BUT your "legal" guy call the club and settle it like grown men do.
 
I don't get this. If you agreed to play for a flat rate but are upset the bar charged the door what is the issue? In the past bands I have been in were offered to take the door or flat rate but never both.

What's next? You get the rate, door and a percentage of food and drink?

Thinking like this is what has killed live music in my area..bands don't understand that the bar is a business that must see a profit from booking bands..not the other way around.

+1

This whole thing is just asinine on its face and to compare it to pay-to-play is ludicrous. I can't tell you how many times I've played venues where they charged a cover and I didn't get paid out of the door money. When it comes to most venues, I don't even know what they're charging at the door. I like not getting paid out of the door money. Why take on the risk if you don't have to? Why give the venue an opportunity to skim if you don't have to? When the venue said, "It's for the band," they probably meant, "We have a band tonight, so we're charging a cover charge."

How does the venue usually not having a cover charge somehow set some legally enforceable precedent? When the grocery store has a buy one, get one 1/2 price special on bananas every summer and it so happens it doesn't one year, can you sue the grocery store for not following a precedent?

$100k lawsuit? LMAO
 
But if there's a door charge IMO the only people that should get a cut of the door is the band(s)and the sound guy.

The reason venues will often institute a cover charge is as a way to hedge themselves if alcohol sales don't cover their operating costs (including the entertainment) for the night.

As I said above, if the venue pays me a flat rate, I don't care if they charge a cover or what they make at the door. I've had venue owners try and sell me on going with a door deal for future gigs after they tell me what they made on previous nights we were there. I turn them down every time. Keep me at a flat rate and if we're drawing, we can negotiate a new price. There are very few instances where giving up a flat rate to gamble on the door is a smart move.

Then again, maybe I'm just a risk-averse person. :hmm:
 
So, I finally have a "we got screwed" story to share.

It's Friday, at a beloved local venue that is like a picnic ground with a liquor license. The adult lifestyle group is there (they don't like to be called swingers, but they are), in force. They love us, and request that we be the band, when they do meet & [DEL]mate[/DEL], ERRR, greets. It was the middle night of 3 nights in a row, for us, at 3 different venues. Musically, we were on top of our game, and the friends and fans made it even better. We were even aware of personnel from other bands being there, to check us out. You know that means something, especially in light of the following.

The trouble is that the venue was charging a $5 cover; an abnormal instance. No biggie, it would seem, but our regular fans are not used to having to pay a cover, to catch us. Moreover, they were told, upon being asked to pay the cover charge, that it was "because of the band."

We didn't see a dime of it. In fact, the bar had taken away the $50 tab that they had been allowing us, so we were asking to be paid the difference, instead. We can buy our own drinks. Not much fallout, that night, but, during the post-gig, Saturday, when we were patting each other on the back for 3 well-played gigs, a member of the band who works in law-enforcement, when told of the prior night's cover charge situation, was ready for blood. He indicated that the venue was committing fraud at the state and federal level, and possibly libel, as well. He has pledged to furnish the statute numbers, and we're gonna see what we can do about avoiding getting the shaft, for future gigs. We are back there, in a week, and will be watching closely.

I do not feel that we should be asking for more money for that gig, but I do feel, moving forward, that we need to present our information to management, and indicate a willingness to go to war. My legal-eagle bandmate is talking about a $100K lawsuit, and we have at least a dozen friends/fans who would testify to being told about the cover charge being for the band. The reality is that, financially, it amounts to a small claims case, but from a criminal law standpoint, it does look like the opportunity to make a stand for ourselves, and every other band that is under-paid. If we are the draw, then we should get a piece of the door. It's no different from a cover charge situation for a pay-per-view event; the venue has to make up the expense. In our case, we had well over 200 folks there, but, for the sake of easiness, I will call it 200, at $5 a head. That's $1000. They have to pay someone running the door, and I will generously allow $100 for that. Cover was charged, beginning at 7:30, and through the end of the evening, with the music stopping at midnight (it is an outdoor venue, after all), so the $100 allowance for labor cost is very generous. That still leaves $900 of pure profit that the band deserves a piece of, especially we are being cited as the justification for the charge. To say that the band is the reason, without paying us, is untrue, and inherently libelous, not to mention running afoul of truth-in-advertising laws.

When it comes to getting the gigs, and paying us, I have no qualms about our band leader, but I sense that he is weak-kneed, when it comes to asserting our position, with this venue. I'm not sure that he executes contracts for gigs, either, but that does not take away the criminality (it just means that we have to seek punitive, rather than compensatory damages, via the legal process, if it goes there; I suspect that there would be some sort of out-of-court accord reached, and want to present to the venue, with that in mind, so that it is still a win-win). That said, I don't want this to be one of the seemingly weekly Craig's List rants about the scene sucking, and venues abusing bands, so I am airing it, here, first. If it is deemed beneficial to our cause, I can always air it on CL, in the future. I thus welcome everyone's take on this.

Save yourselves time, trouble and headaches - and just drop it, and book your band elsewhere.
 
Save yourselves time, trouble and headaches - and just drop it, and book your band elsewhere.

Well, just to throw out something else to think about........... This place has them in there TWICE in TWO WEEKS. It would be ridiculous to drop a place like that for something so small as the POSSIBILITY of telling people at the door that money was going to the band. Unless you have a dozen places like that on your calendar, just settle up the issue and keep on rockin'.
 
Well, just to throw out something else to think about........... This place has them in there TWICE in TWO WEEKS. It would be ridiculous to drop a place like that for something so small as the POSSIBILITY of telling people at the door that money was going to the band. Unless you have a dozen places like that on your calendar, just settle up the issue and keep on rockin'.

Good point.

Anyway my point is - the OP will NOT win that lame lawsuit and if the OP/band doesn’t like bars charging a cover they don’t have to work at those bars.
 
Good point.

Anyway my point is - the OP will NOT win that lame lawsuit and if the OP/band doesn’t like bars charging a cover they don’t have to work at those bars.

Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just throwing something else out there. If they just can't deal with it, drop the club and move on like you said.
 
Slimy? Dishonest? Sure. Illegal? Breach of contact? No, sorry. They could've said "tonights cover charge goes directly to the bands drummer, to help offset medical bills incurred by his mothers cancer treatment." Disgusting? Yeah. Legal? Certainly.

Not necessarily legal. But anyone was being defrauded, it would be the patrons paying the cover, not the band.
 
We have a few live music venues in my area that charge the door but the bands get a flat rate. The bars around here do not do well enough to pay a flat rate out and not recover some of it.
What about clubs who increase their drink prices when the bands play, are you going to ask for that also?
I used to own (years ago) a retail business and let me tell you giving out any money for a chance of no return would of killed us.This is where most bars are at.

Your band has bring in a large buying crowd or draw outside people for every show to offset the cost of having you play. It is a fail to have you if you do not ..sorry that is the facts.

If you bring in 20 people who sip water and never eat where is that helping the club? I have seen this first hand myself.
If people do come in while you are playing is it cuz you are there or is it just foot traffic?

I know allot of times I have gone into a place not knowing or caring if a band is there to eat or drink..the band did not draw me in, in those case sif there was a cover to enter I would say "no thanks" This is how a bar using a cover charge can back fire. I stood on stage quite a few times and watched people turn and walk out when a doorman asked for a cover charge.

Bands forget the overhead the owners have. For bands to continue to have venues to play it has to be give and take not just 'Take".

I know quite a few bands who feel the clubs owe them something and they need a take it all approach to play there...really? Who the hell are you?
 
Whatever deal you cut with the venue was the deal you cut. If that included a portion of the cover, sales, or whatever, you need to have "your people" at least monitoring those numbers. Otherwise, you take what they want to give you.

Assuming the part about people being told that the cover was "for the band", lying isn't illegal & people do it all the time to sell things, cover their butts, or for whatever reason.

Any hint of a "lawsuit" or other major complaint, you can kiss that recurring gig goodbye. You need to decide what it's worth.

Clearing up the misunderstanding to your fans about paying a cover presents a great excuse for contact, via Facebook, web page, & mail blast if you have these capabilities. Explain what happened, get people on your side, & promote upcoming gigs at the same time