I'm trying to run into a guitar and bass amp at the same time, both are combo amps. I was wondering if anyone could recommend some good crossovers for under $100, used or new. Thanks
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Crossover Recommendations?
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Check out a Rolls SX21. I've never used one but it looks the part.
Do you think this will let me cut the lows on only one signal and leave the other one untouched? Thanks for the help
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Thanks for your suggestion, I was also considering this
Amazon.com: Rockville RX230 2 Way Stereo / 3 Way Mono Crossover with XLR Input & Output: Musical Instruments
and this
Nady CX-22SW 2-Way Stereo Crossover
Amazon.com: Rockville RX230 2 Way Stereo / 3 Way Mono Crossover with XLR Input & Output: Musical Instruments
and this
Nady CX-22SW 2-Way Stereo Crossover
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In case anyone was wondering I went with a used dbx 234s crossover. I'll post updates, I'm pretty sure it can make it happen
how do you intend to hook it up? It's a line level device so I am thinking you will need to use your amp fx loops.
That's a good question, I didn't think about that. I'm assuming that's standard for this type of equipment? Thanks
Amazon.com: rolls SX21 Tiny 2-Way Crossover: Musical Instruments
I've read a few places that the dbx will work, this one is supposed to be very compatable
I've read a few places that the dbx will work, this one is supposed to be very compatable
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What's the process for using your fx loops?? Is there a site that can explain it? Thanks
Amp 1 fx out to crossover.
High out to liitler amp fx return
Low out to bigger amp fx return.
Hopefully you don't get a ground hum.
Awesome thank you, you got me very curious. But I couldn't find much info about it. Have you tried this?
Not sure of the model Behringer crossover I used but likely very similar to your dBx.
You may have a pickle of cabling to solder depending on the available in out of yours. There is a right way and a few wrong ways to connect a mess of unbalanced and balance capable connections to avoid ground looping hums. A Rane Technical Note, I forgot the number, maybe 101, will tell you all and more.
Oh jeez what an undertaking. This is more than I bargained for haha. I might just go with the Rolls SX21 and see what happens
The Rolls XS21 is a great product.
But if you're just looking to try this two amp setup to experiment, and you or someone has a small stereo mixer sitting around, you can approximate this by splitting the bass to two channels, set the bass EQ and pan left, set the mid/high and pan right. It'd be best if the mixer had parametric EQ, but just to try it regular shelving should work
A small stereo mixer is a good thing to have on hand for many situations and usually not any more $ than a crossover.
And of course, if you have a PC with a stereo recording interface, you can temporarily set this up just to give it a try.
But if you're just looking to try this two amp setup to experiment, and you or someone has a small stereo mixer sitting around, you can approximate this by splitting the bass to two channels, set the bass EQ and pan left, set the mid/high and pan right. It'd be best if the mixer had parametric EQ, but just to try it regular shelving should work
A small stereo mixer is a good thing to have on hand for many situations and usually not any more $ than a crossover.
And of course, if you have a PC with a stereo recording interface, you can temporarily set this up just to give it a try.
I think a small mixer would help unpickle the pickle of custom cabling.
ART USB Mix Mixer and USB Audio Interface
Mackie Mix5 Mixer
Then you need off the shelf cables from your x-over outputs to TRS to go into the mixer channels, pan one left and pan one right, then TR for mixer mains out to amp line in. Consider the features you may want or need if you go with a mixer. USB interface is nice. More channels is nice. Headphone out nice. FX is nice... I've done enough soldering to quench my desire to do so. A mixer should replace custom cabling with learning and knob turning.
I suggest: RTFM for your amps, x-over and anything else you might buy (like a mixer). Look up any terminology you don't already know. Ask questions on anything that's unclear or you don't understand.
Do not connect an output to an output. Be very cautious with "Y" cables and effects loops. Your effects send will send the line level preamp out. The return on effects connects to the input of the amp section and it disconnects the preamp section from the amp section. I believe some integrated amps have the disconnect switch on both send and return. There might be an amp model out there with no disconnect at all, which I think would be nuts, but you should discover how yours is wired, most likely covered in the manual. If you do use a "Y," understand, it's called a "Y," it looks like a "Y," but electrically it's not a "Y." All three legs of the "Y" are tied together and it does not know or care what is input and what is output. Two preamp, x-over or other outputs tied together will likely be a FAIL, or possibly an RMA#.
I suggest a bit of self study, not because it's bad to ask questions, but because you are there and can see what you are doing, while we can't. It can seem a bit complicated at first, but you will gain knowledge that you will use for years to come. A few evenings reading is way faster than an RMA#/return for repair, and a lot less expensive. It's also up to you to ensure what you buy will interface as you expect it to (i.e. make sure you can get from XLR/TRS balanced to unbalanced TR).
I'm no pro. I'm a hack. I putz around with stuff in my living room, scare the dogs, wife, neighbors, etc. and keep the police on their toes. I bought a mixer a year ago, studied it a bit, learned a lot, and now it's invaluable. It's a big complex mixer I bought as a demo and it's got a noise problem that it came to me with. I can't let it go to get it repaired. I think it would be fun to try what you are doing and maybe pan some or all of the high signal back into the bass amp, rather than completely separating the two signals. There will be some overlap anyway at the crossover points.
I definitely messed around with it in my DAW actually with some VST amps, worked great but my monitors are only 5" and they just don't give the real feel of an amp. It is fun though. Haven't tried it through our mixer but it's not a bad idea. Do I actually need this setup for any kind of live playing? No lol, but I want to bust it out one night with my friends, and see if we can all have some fun. I'm sure they'd love to play around with it too
Oh trust me I've been reading as much as I can find. We have a mixer, I never thought to put it in the equation. So crossover > mixer > amps? And did you say into the amps fx return? Thanks
Bass->preamp (probably the bass amps pre will be best) -> preamp post eq DI or loop send to xover -> xover lo and hi to separate channels on mixer-> mains to amps, L to one amp, R to the other. I think you'll want a separate small mixer to avoid the rest of the mix from the band going to you amps. But you could test even leaving your bands mixer on the PA. Just pan high input to one side and low to the other and verify you get as expected.
You will need to verify the mixer sends an unbal when a TR is plugged into the output. My mixer and other small ones do that. They treat xlr and trs as balanced and ts as unbal. The dual type I/O is usually labeled "bal or unbal" or similar.
Another thot: ART CLEANBoxPro 2-channel Balanced / Unbalanced Converter
Simpler than a mixer, smaller, but need to go from RCA to 1/4," east but costs more that a 1/4" to 1/4" cable. Just use a good quality RCA cable (Video cables work well, less than high end audiophile gizmos) and add an RCA to 1/4" at the end that goes to return on the amps loop.
Simpler than a mixer, smaller, but need to go from RCA to 1/4," east but costs more that a 1/4" to 1/4" cable. Just use a good quality RCA cable (Video cables work well, less than high end audiophile gizmos) and add an RCA to 1/4" at the end that goes to return on the amps loop.
You know what the Rolls SX21 crossover really solved all my issues. I saw a video of Billy Sheehan using one on tour so I was sold. This thing is perfect for my application so I couldn't recommend it enough. Although of course I would love more control with it haha but that's besides the point. Thanks for your help
