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D Standard Club (DGCF)

#821
Prodigus Filius said:
Have you thought of trying a high tension/stiff set of flats like Rotosound 77 jazz flats 5 iver set tuned down to ADGCF. The 130 tuned to A0 still has as much tension as a 145 plain vanilla nickel round wound tuned to A

Rotosound 77 Jazz Flats

ADCCF tuning
Gauges 45 65 85 105 130

A0/.130/32.77lbf
D1/.105/35.47lbf
G1/.085/42.52lbf
C2/.065/46.56lbf
F2/.045/45.60lbf

TT=202.92lbf
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Came back to mention that these strings absolutely brought my A string back to life. Rotos do sound different than the Dunlops but I am working through this. For now, it’s great to have all 5 strings available in this tuning. Thanks again @Prodigus Filius
 
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#823
michael_t said:
I've gone ahead and installed the SIT Power Flats 45-105 on my Ibanez SR-650E for DGCF.

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Just a quick update...

SIT Power Flats 45-105 have now been replaced with GHS Pressurewound 44-106 after 4 weeks. The PF worked well enough in terms of overall feel, ie comfortable without feeling too loose or floppy. But there was something about the .105D that left me not completely happy as it had a "wooly" quality to the tone with weird overtones higher up the neck. I did check for a possible twist, but no go. Besides, I decided the overall tonal character was a bit too dark for what I need.

Much happier with the PW as the tone is better balanced across all four strings with a better clarity and definition on the .106D. I think I'll stick with these for this particular bass.

Meanwhile, I'll be ordering a set of DR DDT 45-105 for one of my J's for DGCF. I've used this set in DGCF before and they worked great, so no worries there.

By the way, the black silk on the PW goes very well with the black hardware on the Ibanez...

GHS PW on 650 250101.jpeg
 
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#824
I’ve only tried GHS pressurewounds once. On a Mikro when I got back into playing a bass. But I pulled em off real quick. Just didn’t dig em on the Mikro at least. However, I’m now thinking of giving the long scale M7200 set a go in DGCF tuning on a pbass for something different. All I need is a ‘just do it’ he he
 
#830
What I have done is replace the 115 100 75 Roto88’s for GCF with the 100 75 and 65 respectively. The more even tension with the 135 as D sounds much better and I was missing string bending.
So now it’s
Rotosound Trubass 88
DGCF Tuning

Frequencies
D1 36.71hz
G1 49hz
C2 65.41 hz
F2 87.31hz

Gauges 65 75 100 135

D1/.135/42.92lbf
G1/.100/37.35lbf
C2/.075/34.79lbf
F2/.065/41.05lbf

TT = 156.11lbf

From here on in for my total tensions for whatever 4 stringer tuning I do, I’m opting for something between 150ish -160ish total tension and looking at different singles or sets that meet that criteria and offer something different.

The GHS pressurewounds set 44-106 are around the tension parameter I want, so I might still pull the chain.

GHS Pressurewounds
Gauges 44 62 84 106

D1/.106/38.09lbf
G1/.084/37.46lbf
C2/.062/38.58lbf
F2/.044/34.36lbf

TT = 148.49lbf

Now where are those rabbits he he.

Here’s a rabbit. Never been a rounds guy due to how they feel. I hear the TI jazz rounds are the smoothest rounds out there. Any one tuned to DGCF with the following gauges and if how’d it go?

TI Jazz Rounds

Gauges 51 68 89 118

D1/.118/38.96lbf
G1/.089/39.58lbf
C2/.068/41.77lbf
F2/.051/42.70lbf

TT = 163.01lbf
 
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#833
I think I have string bipolar he he, given all the wild flips from high tension to low tension try outs I get into. Currently in the low tension phase. Anyhow, I decided to find the average tension for for the 10 strings that make up the La Bella LTF flats 5 string set, and the TI Jazz Flats 5 string set. These are prob the most cited strings when discussions about low tension strings come up, are they not. Drumroll, the average tension is 33.82lbf. I’ll christen it the LTGM (low tension golden mean) .So I thought I would take that figure and see if there was a flatwound set ( no singles) with gauges that came close to the 33.82, but in D standard. Closest I found was GHS Precision Flats 45 60 80 105 set. With tensions thus in D standard

GHS Precision Flats

Gauges 45 60 80 105

D1/.105/33.26lbf

G1/.080/35.63lbf

C2/.060/36.90lbf

F2/.045/32.93lbf

TT = 138.72lbf

As far as other string sets in other string types that I had a quick look at, the GHS Pressurewounds set 44 58 80 102 and D’addario EXL170BT 45 60 80 107 are also not far from the LTGM

GHS Pressurewounds

Gauges 44 58 80 102

D1/.102/31.35lbf

G1/.080/35.50lbf

C2/.058/33.25lbf

F2/.044/34.36lbf

TT = 134.46lbf


D’Addario XL Nickel Rounds
Gauges 45 60 80 107

D1/.107/31.31lbf
G1/.080/31.78lbf
C2/.060/32.43lbf
F2/.045/33.74lbf

TT =129.26lbf


I assume there are other sets out there with the same or similar gauges.
Does this meaning anything. Yep. Means I currently have too much time on my hands he he
 
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#834
Prodigus Filius said:
I think I have string bipolar he he, given all the wild flips from high tension to low tension try outs I get into. Currently in the low tension phase. Anyhow, I decided to find the average tension for for the 10 strings that make up the La Bella LTF flats 5 string set, and the TI Jazz Flats 5 string set. These are prob the most cited strings when discussions about low tension strings come up, are they not. Drumroll, the average tension is 33.82lbf. I’ll christen it the LTGM (low tension golden mean) .So I thought I would take that figure and see if there was a flatwound set ( no singles) with gauges that came close to the 33.82, but in D standard. Closest I found was GHS Precision Flats 45 60 80 105 set. With tensions thus in D standard

GHS Precision Flats

Gauges 45 60 80 105

D1/.105/33.26lbf

G1/.080/35.63lbf

C2/.060/36.90lbf

F2/.045/32.93lbf

TT = 138.72lbf

As far as other string sets in other string types that I had a quick look at, the GHS Pressurewounds set 44 58 80 102 and D’addario EXL170BT 45 60 80 107 are also not far from the LTGM

GHS Pressurewounds

Gauges 44 58 80 102

D1/.102/31.35lbf

G1/.080/35.50lbf

C2/.058/33.25lbf

F2/.044/34.36lbf

TT = 134.46lbf


D’Addario XL Nickel Rounds
Gauges 45 60 80 107

D1/.107/31.31lbf
G1/.080/31.78lbf
C2/.060/32.43lbf
F2/.045/33.74lbf

TT =129.26lbf


I assume there are other sets out there with the same or similar gauges.
Does this meaning anything. Yep. Means I currently have too much time on my hands he he
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A set of light gauge (45-100) D'Addario Chromes is your answer! I had a set on one of my Ric 4003s for about 6 months before raising the tension to medium gauge. They were of similar tension to the sets you're trying out. They were great, but too light for D Standard.
 
#835
MrAB4003 said:
A set of light gauge (45-100) D'Addario Chromes is your answer! I had a set on one of my Ric 4003s for about 6 months before raising the tension to medium gauge. They were of similar tension to the sets you're trying out. They were great, but too light for D Standard.
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Hmm. The 65 in ECB81 is pushing a bit high for what I’m mucking about with.
The 60 in ECB84 is more like it. It’s kind of academic for me, because I could do a custom Chrome set 45 60 75 105 that is more ball park for me LTGM wise. But I kinda looking at packaged sets only. I have the Chromes singles if I wanted to put em on

D’Addario XL Chromes ECB81

Gauges 45 65 80 100

D1/.100/31.98lbf
G1/.080/36.27lbf
C2/.065/42.70lbf
F2/.045/37.30lbf

TT = 140.95lbf



D’Addario XL Chromes ECB84
Gauges 40 60 80 100

D1/.100/31.98lbf
G1/.080/36.27lbf
C2/.060/31.25lbf
F2/.040/30.00lbf

TT = 125.21lbf


Custom XL Chromes
Gauges 45 60 75 105

D1/.105/34.20lbf
G1/.075/31.98lbf
C2/.060/31.25lbf
F2/.045/37.30lbf

TT = 134.73lbf
 
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#837
My string neurosis disorder has kicked into overdrive he he. I wanted to take low tension further and see at what point with the Trubass 88 gauges 65 75 100 115 tuned down to the point where I said to myself ‘Eureka!’ . So I closed my eyes and put on noise cancelling headphones to block out as much external sensory destractions. I was after ‘feel’ and not sound at that point So I first put the strings in E standard, and gradually tuned each string down till I had that pleasurable feeling of ‘Ahh!’’ I then checked the pitch of each string and then tuned them to the closest pitch. What I ended up with for the Trubass 88’s was a tuning of D1 F1 B1 D2. So I then established the tensions of the strings at DFBD and fed them into a vanilla string gauge determinator based on the tensions fed in and the desired pitches of DGCF tuning. Voila! The gauges suggested were
41 57 75 96. Coincidentally. given that I was already considering giving GHS pressurewounds a go but in a larger gauge, the GHS L7200 set not only has similar gauges (40 54 76 96) but also similar tensions per gauge. Now I’m well aware that tension and feel, though entwined, are not the same thing. String construction, bass neck etc factoring in. Anyhow, has anyone downtuned the L7200 set to DGCF? If so can you give some perceptions? Now pardonne! I have to put my straight jacket back on he he
 
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#838
Prodigus Filius said:
My string neurosis disorder has kicked into overdrive he he. I wanted to take low tension further and see at what point with the Trubass 88 gauges 65 75 100 115 tuned down to the point where I said to myself ‘Eureka!’ . So I closed my eyes and put on noise cancelling headphones to block out as much external sensory destractions. I was after ‘feel’ and not sound at that point So I first put the strings in E standard, and gradually tuned each string down till I had that pleasurable feeling of ‘Ahh!’’ I then checked the pitch of each string and then tuned them to the closest pitch. What I ended up with for the Trubass 88’s was a tuning of D1 F1 B1 D2. So I then established the tensions of the strings at DFBD and fed them into a vanilla string gauge determinator based on the tensions fed in and the desired pitches of DGCF tuning. Voila! The gauges suggested were
41 57 75 96. Coincidentally. given that I was already considering giving GHS pressurewounds a go but in a larger gauge, the GHS L7200 set not only has similar gauges (40 54 76 96) but also similar tensions per gauge. Now I’m well aware that tension and feel, though entwined, are not the same thing. String construction, bass neck etc factoring in. Anyhow, has anyone downtuned the L7200 set to DGCF? If so can you give some perceptions? Now pardonne! I have to put my straight jacket back on he he
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This reminds me of the light gauge (50-105) La Bella White and Gold White tapes that I had on my basses almost 2 years ago. I like light gauge strings, but those were too light for me in D Standard. I was recording a bass track with the Gold Whites and when I isolated it, it was out of tune. That’s when I knew that I needed more tension and different strings. My tapes had rounds of similar gauges to yours under the nylon tape.

I don’t know about the tension of the GHS Pressurewounds. But they must be heavy strings in general to have warranted 41-96 gauge in D Standard.
 
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MrAB4003 said:
I don’t know about the tension of the GHS Pressurewounds. But they must be heavy strings in general to have warranted 41-96 gauge in D Standard.
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GHS Pressurewounds are slightly stiffer than typical hex-core roundwound of similar gauges. I use the L7200 (40-96) in EADG and the M7200 (44-106) in DGCF. I can't imagine tuning down the 40-96 set to DGCF.
 
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The GHS tensions for Pressurewound set L7200 in DGCF are low for sure. But that’s where I’m coming from ie how do folks find the tensions involved. Do they feel ok? The tensions are similar to the Trubass 88 65-115 set tuned to DFBD as a reference point

Trubass 88

DGCF
Gauges 065 075 100 115

D1/.115/27.40lbf
G1/.100/37.35lbf
C2/.075/34.79lbf
F2/.065/41.05lbf

TT = 152.59lbf

But retuned to where they felt better to me

DFBD

D1/.115/27.40lbf
F1/.100/29.64lbf
B1/.075/30.99lbf
D2/.065/29.02lbf

TT = 117.05lbf

Note the substantial reduction in tension between the 065 at F2 and D2. The string felt too taught to me at F2

Now compare the DFBD tuned Trubass 88’s to the GHS L7200 in DGCF

Gauges 40 54 76 96

D1/.096/27.14lbf
G1/.076/31.19lbf
C2/.058/28.97lbf
F2/.044/29.52lbf

TT = 116.82lbf

My line of thinking is if I can bond with the Trubass 88’s so retuned tension wise, I can maybe bond with other string sets with comparable tension regardless of gauge differences as well

@michael_t thanks for info on stiffness. Now can I just persuade you to downtune them .For Team DGCF he he
 
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