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DBX Driverack as speaker sim/DI ?
- Thread starter kringle77
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It only handles 300 watts. I've listened to several clips of all the major cab sims and none of them really sound like a mic. This thread and experimenting has really brought me back to using a mic. I actually have a behringer that handles more wattage and sounds OK for guitar but not bass.
After more experimenting I'm actually considering building an isolation cab using a jensen mod10-50. If a guy was to build a simple cab like that with a small amp such as a genz shuttle 3.0 built in, that would simply blow away any amp simulator and still be a breeze to move and use. Last night I did more of the same with the mic and board. Beta 85a point at the center of a mod10-50 touching the grill (I've got a mod mounted in a small 1x10 cab) lows on the board set flat, around 275hz decreased by 4db, highs decreased by about 3db. With a graphic I would do much the same except that I would reduce the area around 4khz instead of being stuck with the high self on my board. Through my in ears it sounds pretty much like my big cab. In the past I never really adjusted the eq on the mic and therefore didn't get the best results but I've learned alot in the last several years since running sound for the band and now I am very happy with the results I am getting. And I owe it all to talkbass!
If you're that serious get the DBX vocal channel strip that used to be out a few years ago, it had compression, EQ, etc, plus how are you going to get to XLR +4,-10 input(s)?
If I ever ran this in my signal chain, I'd use it as a crossover for my speaker setup running from a preamp, then this, then out to a power amp, but really, I'd still prob never do this...
If I ever ran this in my signal chain, I'd use it as a crossover for my speaker setup running from a preamp, then this, then out to a power amp, but really, I'd still prob never do this...
Ill remind. A drive rack minimizes cabinet personality. Then optimizes performance
Simulation is only as good as the sound guy and pa.... Much of this stuff is totally futile
Simulation is only as good as the sound guy and pa.... Much of this stuff is totally futile
Hey pal, it's been awhile! I've been thinking about an isolation cab too. Let me know if you do this, and if so, how it works out. We need to catch up!
I've been going back and forth between using a mic, di and hp/lp-eq'd di. I like the mic sound in my inears the best but, it is very inconsistant from gig to gig. I have the most consistant results, obviously, when I run my di out to a hi and low pass filter, followed by some eq and compression. So, I decided to pick up a second driverack. I will most likely set up a di sound with a steep highpass at 150hz, a moderate lowpass at around 6khz, eq to taste and then compress a bit. Then, I will set up a second sound that I like for my mic. When I get tired of one sound I can switch to the other. The best in ear sound I've had is running di into a steep hp filter, VT bass pedal and to a passive di. But, then I basically have to carry an extra pedal board around all the time, more cables to plug/unplug, power supplies, etc. I got good results using my joemeek 6q but wanted more low end roll-off. The drive rack will allow me to do everything I want, have two presets and be neat and clean in my rack with everthing else. I know that I can get a killer sound with a mic and the driverack. I only wish that there was more room left in the pa rack so that I could use one side of the driverack for my bass di, and the other side for tuning the entire inear mix. It all helps.
Im betting that I could pink noise my cab, find out where all the dips, peaks and roll-offs are and then using the photo negative of that to eq the straight di sound to good effect. I'll keep you guys posted.
Im betting that I could pink noise my cab, find out where all the dips, peaks and roll-offs are and then using the photo negative of that to eq the straight di sound to good effect. I'll keep you guys posted.
A Driverack is a crossover, a couple different EQ's, a compressor, a limiter, an RTA, a feedback zapper, and a disco boom box. While it was designed to tune a FOH system you can use those functions to do any number of things.
I use one as the front end to my bass rig, making use of the EQ, compressor, and limiter. I use a mic on my cab.
I got the second drpa today and quickly set up a good di/ in-ear sound. I hipassed at 24db at 100hz and lowpassed at 12db 6khz. I then used the graphic eq to make a bump centered at 200hz and 3khz. I used the compression to give the sound more punch and this made a pretty big difference even though my sound is compressed to begin with. I could stop right now and be happy but I know that after a few gigs and more tweaks I will have it really dialed in and probably not miss the mic. The compression really helped bring out more of a mic'd speaker sound but without room noise. Very cool. Like most things that I've pondered, I should have done this a long time ago.
I added in the limiter now as well. That took my already good di sound and almost seemed to put a magnifying glass on the sound. It sounds very forward and more alive. In a way, it's like a hyped up version of my tone which actually works better in the in-ear mix and I'll bet will translate well to the pa. After hearing how much using the compression and limiting together has defined my low notes, I may have to re-my rigs compression situation. I've got an old dbx 163x arriving thursday which I already know is a punchy beast. I'd really like to have one of the newer rack units with the limiter but, they don't have an instrument in. I'd have to have someone build a little fet preamp section at the input to make it work since I always prefer to have my bass compressed before the amp. I've neve liked compression in the fx loop. I'll update after this weekends gigs.
Nope. I use a DRPA in my bands rack and have never found it complicated or unweildy. I've got about 15 minutes of actual tweaking time invested in getting the best in-ear bass sound I've ever heard. This was a good idea for me.
I used my DR260 in bands, too, but I just can't see futzing with it as part of a bass rig. All that improvement is going to be lost in a gig situation anyway. I don't know what the performance advantage is when it's in your ear. I really like plug and play with an amp and cab that sound good on their own.
The di sound into my in-ears to too wide. The low lows make my sure in-ear receiver compress with the kickdrum and the highs are to high. I use tweetless cabs. The eq and compresion really mimics the sound of my amp in the in-ears and the low and high pass filters gets rid of excess frequencies on either end so that I can turn up the bass louder in my in-ears. I was using a VT bass, fedeck filter and passive di to get this sound before and that was alot of extra cords and mess. It didn't sound as good as my drpa either. I now can have my amp sound in my IE's and through the pa without a mic. Simpler and more consistant.
