Agreed. I already regret making a comment that was meant to be a neutral/"devils advocate" position.
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Agreed. I already regret making a comment that was meant to be a neutral/"devils advocate" position.
i mean, it's so obvious it shouldn't need explaining. their instruments and amps have changed throughout the years as well as how/where they manufacture. parts have changed, features have changed, and new models have been created. i'm not even a Fender fanboy, just an observer.
Yes, the people who already have a bug up their butt about Fender saw the OP and lapped it up. Anyone familiar with the mega thread we had on the G&L closure or capable of a lick of critical thinking, would find that story highly suspect if not a complete fabrication. Unfortunately, this kind of stuff will become part of the narrative for the Fender haters.
Because Leo Fender invented Fender. For what its worth we agree on the main factors. I said the overreliance on legacy was in my opinion part of their problem, not why they failed.
Nothing G&L has ever done has been huge and that was not about to change with a subtle variation of a jazz bass.
hey my bass playing brother, it's just kind of silly for you to glom on to the idea that Fender made NO changes to its designs or tech in 70 years ... that's patently not even sort of correct.
I am aware of the many things Fender did over that period of time, but I'm not here to educate you. A simple web search on YOUR part will help inform you so you can make better and more truthful statements in the future.
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I'm always interested when the "souless corporate" term is thrown around here. FMIC is for sure a corporation, and so is every other major/serious manufacturer of amps and instruments. They all do it for money ... all the way down to the smaller boutique builders. In the case of G&L, they ultimately just did it very badly and now they no longer exist as a (soulless?) corporation. Another example; I am lucky to own and play a Lull M4V, but Lull was, and is, a corporation ... not as big as FMIC, but a corporation none the less. They build instruments for sale ... just like Fender. Would you consider Mike Lull Custom Guitar's souless ? and if not, why not ? They build instruments for money (and pretty big money too).
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This thread turned into classic social media commentary. We grabbed a dance partner and started yelling at each other's clouds. Let's all just move on
I think if G&L had enough people interested in paying to tour his office, they would have made it a museum. They desperately needed money.
No reason to trash cultural artifacts. They could have been transported to a museum, music shoppe, or school with a little extra space.
The office itself doesn't need to be moved. As in the room in the building. It can be recreated and everything set back up how it once was.
What would be cool or creepy would be cardboard (or wax! lol) versions of Leo, George, and whoever else, as if they were working or talking. This would have been a good use of some of the non-functioning parts, too.
Obviously, the building is too expensive to keep and, I haven't looked, but I'm assuming in a more of an industrial area and thus not reasonable to keep to turn into a museum of its own.
We may have come a long way with multiple other fantastic ways of building musical instruments or their components but, that is no reason to bury the past.
The office itself doesn't need to be moved. As in the room in the building. It can be recreated and everything set back up how it once was.
What would be cool or creepy would be cardboard (or wax! lol) versions of Leo, George, and whoever else, as if they were working or talking. This would have been a good use of some of the non-functioning parts, too.
Obviously, the building is too expensive to keep and, I haven't looked, but I'm assuming in a more of an industrial area and thus not reasonable to keep to turn into a museum of its own.
We may have come a long way with multiple other fantastic ways of building musical instruments or their components but, that is no reason to bury the past.
HAD G+L been a more successful business, none of this would have happened, but the obvious fact is for whatever list of reasons, it could not stay solvent.
Fender bought the parts of the business they were after, in-process basses and parts went to MICR, and more likely than not, the building owner hired a crew to clean out the space and that was that.
Businesses come and go across this country every day, and this was no different. Mr. Fender never struck me as a sentimental person, but an endless tinkerer that had found a very successful niche, and with the people he hired and worked with, created classics. If there had really been a real groundswell of nostalgia and value to the contents of his office, someone would have stepped up, and none did.
FMIC (the 'Fender' company on its second owner since Leo's day, now with outside investors) does what business does, and to gain the IP and trademark and eliminate competition is what anyone would have done. It's silly to condemn a business for acting in its self-interest.
Fender bought the parts of the business they were after, in-process basses and parts went to MICR, and more likely than not, the building owner hired a crew to clean out the space and that was that.
Businesses come and go across this country every day, and this was no different. Mr. Fender never struck me as a sentimental person, but an endless tinkerer that had found a very successful niche, and with the people he hired and worked with, created classics. If there had really been a real groundswell of nostalgia and value to the contents of his office, someone would have stepped up, and none did.
FMIC (the 'Fender' company on its second owner since Leo's day, now with outside investors) does what business does, and to gain the IP and trademark and eliminate competition is what anyone would have done. It's silly to condemn a business for acting in its self-interest.
For heaven's sake, people.
Fender did not buy G&L.
Why can't people get this through their heads?
This needs to be a sticky at the top of every related thread.
The statements made in the OP are almost completely false, not to mention being a couple generations deep into hearsay.
All the facts you need to know that Fender did not buy G&L are available with not all that much basic online research.
Fender did not buy G&L.
Why can't people get this through their heads?
This needs to be a sticky at the top of every related thread.
The statements made in the OP are almost completely false, not to mention being a couple generations deep into hearsay.
All the facts you need to know that Fender did not buy G&L are available with not all that much basic online research.
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