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Didn't ask before... Should I now?

Ok I am playing with a new band made up of all pro's and I'm trying to blend in. I've been playing for many years, been in a few bands but ironically have never gigged until now. I never disclosed this with them since they never asked and I don't want to come off as a rookie.

Anyway, I did my first paid gig with them last weekend (which went really well) and I had never asked "How much it paid" prior to the gig.

Well now that I filled the new bass slot, the BL is booking gigs. He asked if I could do a couple upcoming dates and I responded saying sure I could. He said cool and that was the end of the conversation.

Should the pay have been stated to me in our conversation or is this usual?
 
When I'm offered a gig, I always ask at least these three things before I even consider it:
- Where is it?
- When is it?
- What's the pay?

If I were you, I'd go ahead and ask him what the payment is suppose to be.
 
I generally don't ask. I usually know the people that are hiring me well enough to trust them to treat me fairly. If I were less comfortable asking I'd find a way to ask. I did a recording session a couple of weeks ago, where I told the producer/engineer discretely what my rhythm section mate and I should get paid for the session. It was a fair price and it got back to the artist who paid us without an issue.

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What's the big deal about asking how much money you'll be paid? Something doesn't add up here. It's like you want to be with these guys so much that its scaring you or something. They'll respect you more if you ask for the money up front.

On the other hand, what I wouldn't do is tell them that you're new to gigging (so you don't deserve as much money?). I got into my first band by telling them I had way more experience than I actually had. I knew I could play, so I told them what they wanted to hear. Never looked back.

Be confident.........you're fine and deserve the money.
 
Where does it say I'm playing for free? I was paid for the previous gig and got free drinks;)

sweet... it just looked like that was the case from your OP.

but yes... bring it up with the BL.

Ive been in your shoes as far as playing with guys way more experienced as far as gigging. Be honest with them and dont hide your in experience. 1) you dont want to give them impression that you're bringing experience to the table you dont have ....they may start asking you to use your "past contacts" to get gigs or maybe reference people from venues that anyone with gigging experience would know...and that could end up really awkward.
2) if they know you're inexperienced you can ask questions... start getting contacts, network, etc. If they're worth playing for then they wont care about your past...just what you can do with your bass and what it adds to their group.

GL man.


.....and dont play for free :)
 
Folks... I was paid for the gig and it was more than I expected.

I never said in my post I played for free. I certainly wouldn't do that.

Well you edited your OP so I dunno, but I could of sworn you originally had something along the lines of, "I don't mind playing for free, I just want to play music" in there somewhere.

But either way, I'm glad you're getting paid!
 
Should pay have been stated? Maybe. In a lot of situations, it's conveniently avoided by the person with the gig. I think they're usually feeling you out for negotiation.

I have no problem saying "Cool! Looks like I'm available that date...How much?" to anyone who offers me a gig. If it's less than I want, I'll say "Can't feed my children on that."
 
Well you edited your OP so I dunno, but I could of sworn you originally had something along the lines of, "I don't mind playing for free, I just want to play music" in there somewhere.

But either way, I'm glad you're getting paid!

My unedited post had said, "I had never asked "How much it paid" prior to the gig because I'm more interested in playing out than the money. I never did use the term "free". The poster prior to you used that term and it caused a chain reaction. Therefore I edited my post to clarify things better.

Anyway, I addressed the issue and found out the pay. It's the same as the previous gig so I'm guessing it's our going rate.
 
What's the big deal about asking how much money you'll be paid? Something doesn't add up here. It's like you want to be with these guys so much that its scaring you or something. They'll respect you more if you ask for the money up front.

On the other hand, what I wouldn't do is tell them that you're new to gigging (so you don't deserve as much money?). I got into my first band by telling them I had way more experience than I actually had. I knew I could play, so I told them what they wanted to hear. Never looked back.

Be confident.........you're fine and deserve the money.

I'll explain...

I've been looking for the right band here for a while. I finally found it, nailed the audition and when asked if I could do a gig I said yeah. I knew I was getting paid, just not how much. No big deal because I want to go out and play good gigs with cool dudes who play great and have great attitudes.

So gig numbers 2 & 3 were presented and I said yeah. Just didn't ask how much because I'm happy and assumed he would have told me.

No fear here or a lack of confidence, just trying to go with the flow.
 
Ask away! It's usually standard conversation that wouldn't be out of place.

I usually don't ask either, but my BL tells us everything so I don't need to. He will book any gig that gets us our minimum PP without asking, but if a venue offers us less than the norm he'll consult with us first.

When I do a fill in gig I will ask.
 
You've already been accepted by this outfit and played a gig successfully. I don't think it would be errant to ask what the pay would be, I would sort of think they'd expect it. I probably would. Most pro musicians would want to know. You won't look like a jerk for asking. It should be a non-issue.

I have no problem with those who play for free. I mean, really, if you can afford to do it and you don't mind, it's really no big deal. You shouldn't be pigeonholed into playing for money just because of others who tell you "you have to get paid". I've done both; been paid for fill-ins and done free work. I don't mind the freebies, they're often fun and there's a low level of expectation. I feel that many artists, whether musical or otherwise, pursued their passion regardless of the financial gain.

Let's look at this realistically; if you are a pro and your livelihood comes from playing, you probably have the time, the chops, and the ability to command top money for what you do. If you are making a living off of music, then you must be (or should be) very good at what you do. Better than us weekend warriors. Those of us who play for free do it because it's not our livelihood. We have day jobs, some very good, and we do our music because we love it. That means that we can't, and don't, dedicate the time to what we are playing that you do. So you are usually better musicians. You should be, it's how you pay the bills. You can make the shows, make the practices, and work many hours a day at being the masters of your craft. Unpaid musicians cannot do this because they are working at some job that commands their attention. And you should have no qualm with those who play for free; we don't lower your value because you should be better. You typically are. It's really no different than any other skill or ability; if you are the best at what you do, you don't do it for free because you have time, investment, and skill. If you're "okay", you might not get money for it, or you might.

This is true of any profession. If you are good at what you do, have invested the time, have the skills, and you're in demand, you get paid (and often paid well) for it. If you're the best at what you do, you get more. But you don't get paid just because you CAN do something. You get paid when you do it well, or better than others can who do it for less or for free.

In the end, it's a personal decision. Think you're good enough to get paid? Ask for it. Insist on it. Doing it for fun and don't care about the money?.....then it's just a plus.....but don't gripe when you don't get paid.....you didn't ask for it and you may not have earned it....

For those of you good enough to make music a living....you have my utmost respect. You are better than me, you've invested the time, invested the effort, and I'm sure your abilities dwarf mine in comparison....so for that, I am in awe.



Ask about the pay. You won't look like a jerk.
 
don't want to come off as a rookie.

Should the pay have been stated to me in our conversation or is this usual?

I play 300+ shows a year, make my living off of it, paid off my house, car, life through music...I consider myself a "professional" in every sense of the word.

Having said that, when I or any other professional I know of or work with is asked about any performance of any kind, our response begins with: "What's the paycheck?"

The conversation ALWAYS starts with the money amongst professionals.



IMHO, IME, YMMV.
 
If they're really pro's, they'll understand your situation and be gracious with your lack of experience.
be honest with them, ask all the questions you want, and learn as much as you can.

If you've discussed pay since you started this thread, and you're satisfied, this is what you should do now. On the job experience playing out is the best thing for you now if you were good enough to hook up with some pros. This gig will make you all the better. Good luck and have fun!