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Difference between Ampeg SVT VR and SVT CL?

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I can't tell them apart at all!

Honestly, all SVT's sound basically the same to me. There might be slight differences here and there, but if you turn the master up all the way on the CL and use gain to control volume, I'm very hard pressed to tell the difference between it and a VR. The VR's big advantage IMHO is having two channels, which is nice when you want to blend sounds, like a clean/dirty blend. The CL's big selling point is being able to add compression and overdrive at a lower volume by overdriving the gain control. Sounds a little buzzy compared to power tube distortion, but you can get preamp OD at a much lower volume.

Jimmy, if I'm reading this correctly...how do you blend the 2 channels...do you have to split your input signal into both channels? Or is there a way to do this with the controls on the amp?
 
Well, I don't mean to step on Jimmy's toes because we all know he is the go to guy. What you can do is plug your bass into normal on channel one and take a jumper from two normal to one bright. You can then blend both channels with tones that are.. Well....the best you can find. At least that's what MY ears tell me. Your thought's Jimmy's????
 
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Just use a jumper cable to go from the bright input of channel 1 to the normal input of channel 2 with your bass plugged into the normal input on channel 1. You can also use a splitter in your pedal chain to run a distortion to one channel and run the other clean. This is with any four input SVT. Lots of other four input amps can do this as well.
 
I haven't entirely ruled it out, but it seems having the separate gain and volume would be good...seems like some places I may not be able to crank up the gain to get some drive and not be too loud without that...dunno?

No question that it's a tough decision.
  • In terms of sales, more CL's are sold than VR's.
  • The VR offers more tonal flexibility with the two channels and the ability to link them.
  • The gain and master that the CL offers can be useful. With an external box containing a simple volume pot that is patched between the pre-amp out and power amp in, you can add a master volume to the VR.

Bottom line, you have to try both amps and see what you think.
 
Well, I don't mean to step on Jimmy's toes because we all know he is the go to guy. What you can do is plug your bass into normal on channel one and take a jumper from two normal to one bright. You can then blend both channels with tones that are.. Well....the best you can find. At least that's what MY ears tell me. Your thought's Jimmy's????

Just use a jumper cable to go from the bright input of channel 1 to the normal input of channel 2 with your bass plugged into the normal input on channel 1. You can also use a splitter in your pedal chain to run a distortion to one channel and run the other clean. This is with any four input SVT. Lots of other four input amps can do this as well.

I didn't know this!

No question that it's a tough decision.
  • In terms of sales, more CL's are sold than VR's.
  • The VR offers more tonal flexibility with the two channels and the ability to link them.
  • The gain and master that the CL offers can be useful. With an external box containing a simple volume pot that is patched between the pre-amp out and power amp in, you can add a master volume to the VR.

Bottom line, you have to try both amps and see what you think.

Nowhere around to be able to compare.
 
Not having tried the Heritage 8x10 cab, what are the differences between that and the (new) classic cabs?
The Classic cab sounds great, but the Heritage cab is a step beyond. The speakers are IMHO every bit as good as the CTS alnico speakers in the original flatback SVT 810. They have this clarity combined with the ballsiness of the Classic 810e that just kills like no other cab I've heard since the flatback. That said, I think LOUD greatly improved the regular 810e when they took it over, and I'd probably be quite happy with one had I not heard the Heritage.
 
The Classic cab sounds great, but the Heritage cab is a step beyond. The speakers are IMHO every bit as good as the CTS alnico speakers in the original flatback SVT 810. They have this clarity combined with the ballsiness of the Classic 810e that just kills like no other cab I've heard since the flatback. That said, I think LOUD greatly improved the regular 810e when they took it over, and I'd probably be quite happy with one had I not heard the Heritage.
Thanks Jimmy. Looks like I will have to consider the Heritage if I upgrade.

I know right, now I'm thinking I need to hear the Heritage and maybe replace my 06 classic, dark years cab, with a Heritage. THEN I will be complete. (at least that will be how I sell it to my wife)
 
Why not buy your wife a Heritage 810 cab for christmas. Maybe she'll let you use it.
I think that's a great idea. I just wish it would work like that. We have been married for 26 years and while she is pretty supportive of my music hobby. In least ten years or so she just doesn't really like hearing me say, "honey look what I got" anymore. But I will let her read this post. I mean, it's worth a shot huh??
 
The Classic cab sounds great, but the Heritage cab is a step beyond. The speakers are IMHO every bit as good as the CTS alnico speakers in the original flatback SVT 810. They have this clarity combined with the ballsiness of the Classic 810e that just kills like no other cab I've heard since the flatback. That said, I think LOUD greatly improved the regular 810e when they took it over, and I'd probably be quite happy with one had I not heard the Heritage.
Hey Jimmy, this might be a stupid question, but is it possible to run into the dual inputs of the Heritage 810E cab from the two speaker outputs of the Heritage CL head and run the head at 2 ohms? In essence running the 810 as if they were 2 410 cabs.
 
Hey Jimmy, this might be a stupid question, but is it possible to run into the dual inputs of the Heritage 810E cab from the two speaker outputs of the Heritage CL head and run the head at 2 ohms? In essence running the 810 as if they were 2 410 cabs.
Not a stupid question, but nope. Each half is 8 ohms, and that combines for a 4 ohm load, so you should set the head for 4 ohms. It doesn't add wattage to run at 2 ohms like it does with SS amps, so there's no real point in it anyway.
 
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I know this is a dead tread so this is just for informational purpose but The difference between the og 70's and the vr is the modern circuit protection @johnk_10 did a mod to the vr to get his to vintage voltage.. I don't know if it works on the classic though
 
I know this is a dead tread so this is just for informational purpose but The difference between the og 70's and the vr is the modern circuit protection @johnk_10 did a mod to the vr to get his to vintage voltage.. I don't know if it works on the classic though
Well there's way more differences than just that. The preamp and driver tubes are different. Different versions of the same thing, since 12DW7's are just half 12AX7, half 12AU7, and 12BH7's are half a 12AU7. But they are different. Still, at the end of the day, the differences aren't important since they sound the same.
 
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