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Difficulties executing techniques

I have started to learn scales and chords for my bass and I've only had it for 3 weeks or so. Upon carrying out the C major scale my hand has a really tough time dealing with the 2nd fret to the 5th fret stretch. Will this be something I get used to over time or am I just too tiny for the bass?

I'm also having a difficult time with keeping my pick (yeah yeah laugh it up) between the 2 pickups. I find my self drifting up to the top pickup more often than not, and upon repositioning it just feels VERY foreign to me to keep my hand that way. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated!
 
Hey BassChase, welcome to the low end!

No, you are not too tiny, because no one is. There are some fine bass players with very tiny hands out there. Also some with short arms. People find ways.

About keeping the pick between the pickups: keep it where you want. This depends on what sounds good to your ear, and what feels good to your arm. Not on where someone else said to keep it.

Good luck, and keep us posted!
 
Hey BassChase, welcome to the low end!

No, you are not too tiny, because no one is. There are some fine bass players with very tiny hands out there. Also some with short arms. People find ways.

About keeping the pick between the pickups: keep it where you want. This depends on what sounds good to your ear, and what feels good to your arm. Not on where someone else said to keep it.

Good luck, and keep us posted!
Hey thanks! It's not painful it's just after practicing for 40 minutes on the same scale it starts to make my hand a little bit sore. I stop before I do damage, just chalked it up to really low finger dexterity! I certainly will keep updates, as I usually lurk about and gather information before I post.
 
I have started to learn scales and chords for my bass and I've only had it for 3 weeks or so. Upon carrying out the C major scale my hand has a really tough time dealing with the 2nd fret to the 5th fret stretch. Will this be something I get used to over time or am I just too tiny for the bass?
On the lower frets you don’t really need to stretch too much. A lot of people keep their hand covering a 3 fret range, and just move the hand when you need a bigger jump. At first it feels like a lot of movement, but it gets more natural after some practice.
 
On the lower frets you don’t really need to stretch too much. A lot of people keep their hand covering a 3 fret range, and just move the hand when you need a bigger jump. At first it feels like a lot of movement, but it gets more natural after some practice.

This right here.

If you're running scales, start in an area where it's comfortable to do 1 finger per fret ( eg 15 fret A string C major). Then try going down to 8th fret on the E string, and so on. When it comes to the lower frets, movement/shifting is key.
 
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A few random thoughts in no particular order:
  1. There are only 7 notes in the C Major scale (CDEFGAB). It should only take you a few minutes (maybe 7 minutes tops, 1 minute per note) to learn and memorize the C Major scale for the rest of your life. Repeating the same scale over and over for 40 consecutive minutes is insane. Play it once, perfectly, and then move on and practice something else.
  2. You don't have to play A, D, or G at the 5th fret. You can play them as open strings and give your hand a break.
  3. Most bassists don't stretch from the 2nd to 5th fret. That's a good way to damage your hand. Rather than spreading your fingers out like spider legs, you can keep your hand relaxed and neutral, and shift your whole hand.
  4. You are "allowed" to pick wherever you like. Moving your picking/plucking position is how you get a wide range of different tones. Pick closer to the neck for a warmer, rounder sound, or closer to the bridge for a tighter, brighter sound.
Practice suggestion: Spend 1 minute warming up on the C Major scale. Then, spend 39 minutes playing as many melodies in C as you can think of. Can you play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" in C? What about "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" in C? Or "Happy Birthday" in C? What about "The Star Spangled Banner," or "The Star Wars Theme"?

Tomorrow, do the same with a different key, and then a new key the day after that, and so forth. I suggest moving through the circle of 4ths/5ths, so your practice order could be C, F, Bb, Eb, etc. In 12 days (15 days including the enharmonic keys like F#/Gb) you will have learned all your major scales, and how to apply them musically.

If you are having any pain/discomfort, post a "hand selfie" and we can give you tips and advice on safe technique. Good luck! :)
 
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Hey thanks! It's not painful it's just after practicing for 40 minutes on the same scale it starts to make my hand a little bit sore. I stop before I do damage, just chalked it up to really low finger dexterity! I certainly will keep updates, as I usually lurk about and gather information before I post.

Others have already said it, but I'll try to summarize and add a few things...

1) If you're not used to playing, try doing it in shorter spurts of 10 minutes. 4- 10 minute focused practice sessions will provide more progress than a single 40 minute session. We actually process the what we are learning AWAY from from the instrument.

2) Yes, your hands will loosen up over time. Give it time. I've had to learn things on the guitar that I thought were physically impossible. It takes my hands about a month to adapt. I've found the same thing on a recent bass purchase that I initially thought might be too wide and long.

3) While you may want to cover 4 frets with 4 fingers, you don't need to be locked into position. Almost everyone does a bit of shifting to cover big stretches.

4) When your hand gets tired, rest. If you're learning scales or music or whatever, use the rest periods to look at the music and go over it mentally as if you're playing, but without actually playing. Trumpet players use the rule "rest as much as you play". Bass players don't have to take it that far, but your hands will tell you when to rest. The last thing you want is to have to take time off to let stress injuries heal.

5) It's ok to use a pick. Let the sound dictate where you strike the strings. But also, you may want to add some finger plucking into your routine. No time like the present.

Good luck
 
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3 vs 4 finger playing is an ongoing debate on TB. I use 3 on upright, and 3 or 4 on electric. Both get the job done. I think 4 is highly preferred if you like soloing.

Building strength and stretch in the pinky will take months. Dont rush it. Avoid injuries. Practice daily. Too small hands is almost never a problem. Look at Tal Wilkenfeld s hands.

Jaco' Electric Bass Method scale exercises were very useful to me starting out. If you buy the book, make sure you get Jacos book and not the one by his student.
 
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Here's the thing. I come from a classical piano background. That means 6 times a week, I practiced 3 hours. About 1 hour was on scales and arpeggios. You'd think I'd have developed great technique. And largely, I did. But it's not as though my technique got indefinitely good. I didn't automatically get better every week, but over the years, it got slowly better.

It's been many years since I regularly played piano. I haven't legitimately practiced scales in many years. But you know the crazy thing? I can't do the scales quite as accurately as I used to be able to, but my top speed hasn't really changed. And so, my usable musical speed on piano is still about the same, because I can still think at the same speed. Other than a few more mistakes, my technique is still pretty solid. Though I stopped getting obviously faster, I haven't actually gotten noticeably slower. And because I'm older and wiser and my ears are better, I actually think in a lot of ways, I play more expressively and emotionally and get more mileage out of my raw speed than I did in my younger days.

Now, if this were weight lifting, if you stop lifting for 10 years, you won't be able to do the same kind of weights you used to be able to lift. So why is piano not like that? It's because music is not a sport.

Finger dexterity in music is not the same as athletic performance. People treat music too much like a sport, and it's not. It's more like solving a puzzle using your mind. Your brain can't grow faster just because you work your fingers harder. You play faster because you get smarter, not because your fingers get more athletic. If you play efficiently, you barely need any strength to play bass. Just about any 11 year old has the finger strength to play bass. The rest is how efficient you are with it. And that means it's your brain doing the work.

And that also means, if you feel pain, stop. If your fingertips hurt, sure, maybe they just need to toughen up, but for the large part, pain just means that the instrument is not set up properly and/or that you're not playing efficiently and you need to attack the puzzle in another way. I've been playing regularly for years and I don't even have calluses, so it's not even clear that fingertips need to hurt. So stop stretching if it's painful. Find a better way to play. Make small sliding motions instead of stretching from fret to fret.

Don't expect things to happen overnight. I often find that once I've begun working on something, my brain just needs time to think on it. Visualize playing the scale in your head. You don't need an instrument to do that. You can do that 10 times in a day and you're growing your ability to play that scale. Music is not like sports training where running 20 miles gives you more cardio than running 10 miles. Because you're trying to grow your brain, there's almost no point in spending 40 minutes doing something you can already do well. Even on classic piano, where each scale looks different, I would run through each scale maybe 4 times (4 octaves). Then move on. It's more important to find your breaking point and practice something that's difficult for you, rather than to keep doing something that's easy. Like I keep saying, it's not a sport. Finding your breaking point is what forces your brain to learn to be more efficient.

Some instruments do demand a little bit more physical fitness, that's true. Certainly playing metal drums is like running in place, that can't be helped. But bass is an instrument of dexterity. And honestly, so are drums, even though it might require a little bit more physicality. Otherwise, you wouldn't have great drummers who are out of shape.
 
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The thread seems to have gotten quiet, so I have one or two more things to add. As a new "serious" bass player there are a couple things that I've come to recognize that are applicable to someone just starting out. It may be obvious, but get your bass professionally set up. Have the frets checked for level and the action and relief lowered as much as possible just before the strings begin to buzz anywhere on the fingerboard. This will help you keep a light touch. Of course, keep your touch only as heavy as needed to press down the strings. The low action will help that. The lightest touch possible will keep your left hand from premature fatigue and will allow you to (eventually) be faster and more fluid and musical than if you have too heavy a touch.
 
I don't like those stretches either in lower positions of the neck. As others have said, instead of stretching, shift your whole hand. You can also play the 5th fret note on the open G string instead so no stretch or shift is even necessary. Many ways to go about it!
 
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