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Digital Mixers. Now adding NAMM 2015 entries

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Looking for a 16 channel ish digital mixing board to replace our dying analog board. We are hoping to get something that allows a trusted super fan to control our levels out in the crowd. Our guitar player has been trying to do double duty with so so results

The new Presonus 16.4.2 AI looks pretty good. Allen & Heath Qu-16. the Behringer x32 compact. Just hook up a router & go

http://www.presonus.com/products/StudioLive-AI-Series

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Anybody use these, reviews & results?

Thanks!
 
if you are looking for a 16ch, look at the QSC touchmix16...comes with the WIFI adaptor to go whilst having the flexibility of having the console on a built in touch screen. other than that, the QU-16 is great. also Mackie just released the DL32R...gonna be awesome. our band just got one, and are just waiting for it to arrive!
 
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We have the PreSonus (24 chan) and cant say enough about it. Its pretty awesome and makes mixing so easy. Your superfan could sit with an iPad and mix from anywhere in the room. We dont use IEMs all the time but when we do, I can bring up the personal mixer on my iphone and adjust the mix for my personal tastes. Love it.
 
Waiting on the Behringer XR18 X-Air. It's not shipping yet but has a killer set of features for $699 retail. I'm still gigging with my Mackie DL1608 and would recommend that also, especially if you can get a deal on one and if you already are iPad/iPhone ready. The latest MasterFader v3 app has really added value to the mixer.
 
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I've worked with about all of the above mixers. If all you need is 16 channels, the QSC is a great unit. The Mackie is no slouch, but I've had better service experience with QSC (and needed it a lot less). Both of these units do really well for situations not needing the power of, say, an X32. The New Mackie DLR-32, or something like that, should be a big hit, too. And Behringer makes a rack-mount unit, too, although it's more money than the Touchmix.

I may be the only guy that positively hates the Presonus, even the new ones. I don't care for the sound quality, it's the only mixer in the small digital category that I do NOT like the sound of. I like, or can deal with, the sound of the rest of them. Static faders may not be a big deal to some, but to me it's a deal breaker, especially if you need to change scenes and faders settings. And I've been burned a lot by Allen and Heath's service policies, I'll never trust them again ever (although I, as well as many pro audio guys, said that about Behringer 10-12 years ago. Whole lot of converts these days)

Having said all of this about Presonus, my buds still in the pro audio business are saying REALLY good things about a new rack-mountable unit from Presonus. It's certainly worth a look if you don't need a surface. It connects to iPads, as well as larger Windows-based computers and tablets.

My favorite small digital of the bunch, believe it or not, is the X32. There's a helluva feature set in that box for the price. It sounds really good (don't believe the hype about magical mic pres from famous exotic analog consoles of yore. They do sound really good). And they have proven to be as dependable or more so than the others in this group (aaaand, cue the few folks around here that have had problems with an X32). One problem I saw was addressed very quickly by the Music Group.

My bottom line is, regardless of what I've said here, you won't go wrong with any of the units available. I just have my favorites and the reasons for that, based on using them a lot.

Regardless of what you buy, I have BIG request of people here buying small digital units (if you aren't familiar with digital consoles, that is): I've recently seen a MAJOR RASH of folks around that buy these mixers, then get stuck trying to operate them and call people like me and spend exorbitant amounts of money for tutorials, only to not put in the time and effort to get really familiar with the unit, then blame me because they forgot what they learned. These little units, for their good prices and small sizes, are FULL of great features and capabilities. Take time to learn the things! There's so much info and tutorials on the makers' website and YouTube that will get you going, but take the time to play with the units at home or the rehearsal place! Mark my words here and now, you will save time, grief, and money doing your homework ahead of time. And seriously....you'll have a blast in the process!

Good luck.
 
It's a tough choice. It's good to see such great boards so cheap.
If you know you're going with iPad interface then the rack based units look real interesting. X32, Presonus, Mackie
You can always add a knob controller or something with motorized faders later.

They all seem to also have good monitor capabilities. Extra iPad and each person can have their own monitor mix.
 
Gearslutz had a ton of useful info! I'm waiting on NAMM 2015 to see whats coming down the pike. The Allen & Heath QU-16 actually looks like the winner at this current moment. A lot of reviews saying it sounds better than the x32 & the Studiolive. The Studiolive doesn't have motorized faders
 
Allow me to throw another hat into the ring. The SM Pro Audio uMiX system.

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This unit is made in Australia and is not yet available in the states but I have found that Sam Ash has pre-ordering available on their website (others may as well but after finding a price I stopped searching).

I have no personal experience with this unit (or any of the others for that matter) but I too am shopping for a digital mixer for our band. Our current analog mixer has only 2 monitor channels and as the unofficial soundman of the band I have tired of the monitor volume war! We are going to move to IEMs, allowing each to set and adjust their own mixes, therefore making a minimum of 6 Aux Outs a requirement. Hence my search.
 
I know the QU-16 JUST updated their firmware to be able to do personalized monitor mixes which is a must but they group some of their outputs & R&L stereo.

I'd be REALLY interested in the recording aspect as well. Is each of the 16 tracks recorded so you can edit in some software later or is it a straight up R&L mix & you better hope the recording levels sound like the house levels live.
 
Allow me to throw another hat into the ring. The SM Pro Audio uMiX system.

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This unit is made in Australia and is not yet available in the states but I have found that Sam Ash has pre-ordering available on their website (others may as well but after finding a price I stopped searching).

I have no personal experience with this unit (or any of the others for that matter) but I too am shopping for a digital mixer for our band. Our current analog mixer has only 2 monitor channels and as the unofficial soundman of the band I have tired of the monitor volume war! We are going to move to IEMs, allowing each to set and adjust their own mixes, therefore making a minimum of 6 Aux Outs a requirement. Hence my search.

Wow, this is some very slick-looking equipment that looks like some thought was put into regular ol' musicians being able to use it, along with some really cool features. Lots of cool products in the line.

This company has a good reputation for building solid gear. Certainly worth considering. I hope to see of it out in the Wild soon.
 
These two look very close in function and design, but $300 price difference.

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Any of the OP's choices will do the job.. and I have used/owned both the Presonus 16.4.2 and X32 Producer.
I prefer the X32 features but the Presonus layout..
Either works with iPad/remote control, but X32 is easier to setup.
 
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I know the QU-16 JUST updated their firmware to be able to do personalized monitor mixes which is a must but they group some of their outputs & R&L stereo.

I'd be REALLY interested in the recording aspect as well. Is each of the 16 tracks recorded so you can edit in some software later or is it a straight up R&L mix & you better hope the recording levels sound like the house levels live.
We use the QU-16. I would buy it again (didn't have to this time - guitarist did). We use the direct to disk recording feature to record all input channels for most of our live shows. I then mix them down in Reaper (not too bad once you have templates).

Allen-Heath says they are not a software company yet they continue to produce software upgrades such as the one you mentioned which provides seven individual monitor mixes via iPad, iPod-mini (whatever that is) or iPhone. There are some complaints with the QU-16. A lack of channel groups comes to mind, though this may be fixed in a future software release.

It has the complication of a layered interface, which is how so much functionality can be packaged with so few controls. The essential thing that makes this work is the motorized faders - when you select a different layer the faders' previous positions for that layer are restored.

I would like to see some flexibility with respect to the effects units provided - possibly being able to install other units, etc. This has not been addressed to date by software updated as far as I know.
 
Waiting on the Behringer XR18 X-Air. It's not shipping yet but has a killer set of features for $699 retail. I'm still gigging with my Mackie DL1608 and would recommend that also, especially if you can get a deal on one and if you already are iPad/iPhone ready. The latest MasterFader v3 app has really added value to the mixer.
We are currently using the X-32 with my bigger band, just saw these today. Planning on getting one as soon as they are available for my 3 piece band. I love that it has wi-fi built in, and a huge variety of built in FX and processors. Not to mention the X-32 Q mix app. I love doing my own monitor mix (in-ears) in stereo and having complete control of my mix.
 
We are currently using the X-32 with my bigger band, just saw these today. Planning on getting one as soon as they are available for my 3 piece band. I love that it has wi-fi built in, and a huge variety of built in FX and processors. Not to mention the X-32 Q mix app. I love doing my own monitor mix (in-ears) in stereo and having complete control of my mix.

If the XR18 X-air actually delivers the goods as decribed, then it'll be a great seller IMHO. I'll hang onto my Mackie DL1608 regardless, just in order to get max mileage out of it, but for live use, I'd be moving over to the Behringer. Too soon to tell until the product is actually in hand.
 
We use the QU-16. I would buy it again (didn't have to this time - guitarist did). We use the direct to disk recording feature to record all input channels for most of our live shows.

Do you just plug in a standard USB drive to do it?

I was reading the music radar review made it seem like a flash drive wouldnt work, so use an external hard drive? Does that need an external power source?

For the record
"Direct-to-disk multi-track recording of all 16 inputs plus the stereo output is a huge draw for this level of mixer"
Direct-to-disk multi-track recording of all 16 inputs plus the stereo output is a huge draw for this level of mixer. Plug a USB drive directly into the top of the desk, set it recording at the start of the show and forget about it. No need for a fragile laptop perched on the side by the over-flowing pint.

Sadly USB keys are not compatible, only a pre-formatted disk is supported, but once you've got one you can re-use it and transfer files to your DAW in the safety of your studio. If you do want to use your laptop, you can still transmit the multi-track audio over USB to a Mac and play it back down the same channels.