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Digital vs Analog

#125
urkel3000 said:
What year is it
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#126
Lowbrow said:
Jeez man. If you don’t think that vinyl sounds better than early CDs then I’m done. A simple — and BRIEF — post about human quirks and we get a lecture on the consumer music production process? Breathe.
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Sorry Lowbrow....taking a deep breath now. That was just my living for years down in LA and I certainly did geek out about it then. Plus I had been touring for 3-years before that playing about 250 performances a year. Managing record stores, we were always playing music...always because the record distributors would send us "in-store play" albums. So that was a bit of a knee jerk reaction for me. By the way, we had to pack up the defective records each month and send them back for replacement and it was always many boxes. So I'm not as enamored about early vinyl. But to each his own. Glad you found what you like and I found what I like.

That's about as short as I ever get. ;)
 
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Ok you win, all vinyl and tapes should be destroyed, everything analog should be destroyed except speakers, we should all turn on garage band on the computer and play digital bass. Why are we playing primitive analog bass guitars? Mortals like me are worthless compared to you gods.
 
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#129
icarus88 said:
Ok you win, all vinyl and tapes should be destroyed, everything analog should be destroyed except speakers, we should all turn on garage band on the computer and play digital bass. Why are we playing primitive analog bass guitars? Mortals like me are worthless compared to you gods.
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Point out the person that said that if you can.

This isn’t how to make your case when a few responses don’t go your way.
 
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icarus88 said:
Ok you win, all vinyl and tapes should be destroyed, everything analog should be destroyed except speakers, we should all turn on garage band on the computer and play digital bass. Why are we playing primitive analog bass guitars? Mortals like me are worthless compared to you gods.
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People are just trying to have an adult discussion. Try joining in that.
 
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#132
lowfreqgeek said:
Now you're just showing off your ignorance. Please stop. You're not helping your case.

Signed - A (real) Electrical Engineer
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Any audio component above half the sampling frequency (Nyquist) will be lost. Period. Sorry, but that's how digital audio works

A sound engineer, please explain this to everyone.

you are wrong to say that no information is lost when you go from analog to digital. Everything above the nyquist frequency is lost. While that lost information may not be an issue when talking about playing recordings back at their original sample rate, it is still lost

EE engineers are not sound engineers. Otherwise, such a discipline would not exist.

Before you call people ignorant, don't talk about something you have no discipline about.

I'm not a sound engineer either, but I've read a lot of sound engineering articles.I don't call people ignorant either.
 
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#139
icarus88 said:
Digital sound: it sounds FLAT. Lifeless, "tinny", cold, empty. It doesn't feel loud when it's loud.

CD quality is 16 bit 44,100Hz sample rate, meaning, it takes a sample of the sound wave 44,100 times per second, and the bit depth is how many steps are available for it to place the amplitude of the sampled wave. i.e., say the bit depth allows the amplitude to be placed at a resolution that makes 1, 1.5, & 2 available. Therefore, if the sample's amplitude is 1.6, it will be placed at 1.5, if it is 1.75, it will be placed at 2. And, 44,100/sec might seem like a lot, but what ultimately happens is the wave ends up in squared off step shapes. It is no longer a smooth, curvy wave. AND, a CD song is one wave containing the whole of the song. That's why everything sounds flat, because it literally is. With analog, every instrument, the reverbs & delays, all keep their own space in the Ether.

I HATE mp3!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!

They are utterly SICKENING! Digital has killed music. Streaming has $#@-(& it in the #@$$#-. Artists aren't making money anymore cuz no one buys albums anymore. I mean, there's still a significant number of us that still do buy the CD, but we are the minority by far.

I'm so mad that I have to use a computer to make music these days. $600 for Ableton Live 11 Suite (& thats $150 off) & it still sounds like crap. And what's the point of 192,000Hz interfaces if your CPU can't handle it if your song is anything more than just a beat (and, in the mixdown, the max it'll be is 44,100 anyway).

Digital destroys hi hats! Transients suffer the worst, bass second.

I had started getting CDs of tapes I had, then I heard analog and bought back all my tapes, and all the more tapes I could find until they went extinct.

Yes, convenience wins, and quantity over quality: everyone just wants a million garbage songs on an iPod. But are they really listening/enjoying? Everyone I've ever seen with an iPod just skips thru songs constantly. They never just put it on and let it play. Occasionally they find a song and, “oh, I love this song!"… then they skip it halfway through!


Analog will always be the superior medium, and if people actually respected music as an art form instead of entertainment, digital would not have taken over.
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By the way, listen to the opinion of these two analog guys:
 
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