Dingwall production models and tariffs

[moon-bass]

These tariffs probably won't last long.the US is just posturing to get even/fair trade with all countries we trade with.

I'm not sure that's true. The stated purpose is to "stop the flow of fentanyl and illegal aliens" as well as to "bring US manufacturing back." Not a political statement, just a statement saying that if those are the goals that are hoped to be achieved and if the tariffs will be in place until such time as the goals are achieved, the tariffs will be in place a long, long, long time.

 

[JReno]

I don't believe they will be tariffed as Chinese goods if they're coming from Dingwall Canada. Probably 25% but don't quote me on that.

Also, I've been in contact with "agedhorse" who works for Mesa and they're busy trying to figure out the tariffs on parts they import to build their amps. He said they buy very little from China. It's affecting everyone.

I think this has been mentioned, but the fact that the sticker on the bass says "Made in China" will subject it to the higher tariff rates. I think Dingwall just needs to start having these guys produce their basses in the Heard and Mcdonald Islands. Tariffs would still apply according to the charts, but they'd be much less...

 

[Pep]

I'm not sure that's true. The stated purpose is to "stop the flow of fentanyl and illegal aliens" as well as to "bring US manufacturing back." Not a political statement, just a statement saying that if those are the goals that are hoped to be achieved and if the tariffs will be in place until such time as the goals are achieved, the tariffs will be in place a long, long, long time.

I don't believe for a minute the tariffs are in place to "stop the flow of fentanyl and illegal aliens".
You want to stop Fentanyl? Have the FDA remove their approval of its use.
As far as the aliens are concerned, that's finally being addressed at the borders.

 

[moon-bass]

I don't believe for a minute the tariffs are in place to "stop the flow if fentanyl and illegal aliens".
You want to stop Fentanyl? Have the FDA remove their approval of it's use.
As far aliens are concerned, that's finally being addressed at the borders.

Those are officially the stated purposes from the person that implemented them. I'm not arguing, just stating a fact, specifically in relation to the tariffs staying in place. That's all.

 

[Apolicious]

yesterday or the day before I couldn't sleep so I ended up catching some awful CBS morning show, and Vlad specifically singled out the effects on guitars (he's surprisingly cool). he pointed out that the magnets themselves are imported, plus, you know, the "wood they're made from." I forget what else he mentioned but it was... not great.

 

[Pep]

Those are officially the stated purposes from the person that implemented them. I'm not arguing, just stating a fact, specifically in relation to the tariffs staying in place. That's all.

Oh I agree with you on the official statement, but I believe it’s just a “cloak” over the real purpose. That’s just my opinion and you know what that’s worth.

 

[faulknersj]

Very hard to tell. To my knowledge, zero additional Customs Agents were hired and you would need to hire thousands…so good chance it’s a bluff….or ahem…an ‘oversight’ perhaps?

 

[DJ Bebop]

Country of Origin is a key factor, not the Country of Export. I'm sure this is complicated by components shipped from China to Canada (for example) with additional value added by Canadian labor and/or parts.

This is information sent to me after ordering out of country recently…

Thank you for your order.

We would like to inform you that, due to recent changes in US import regulations, all shipments to the US containing goods manufactured in either China or Hong Kong are now subject to taxes and duties.

Please note that we are unable to include these additional charges in our shipping costs, as the rates are determined by the specific items. Based on our understanding, the potential duties and taxes for your order are as follows:

• General Duty Rate: Typically, between 2.5% and 6%
• Section 301 Tariff: Typically, 7.5% to 30%
• IEEPA (International Emergency Economic Powers Act): A flat 10%

Additionally, the courier will manage the brokerage process, which may involve an additional charge. Orders with a value of more than $250 will require a Social Security Number (SSN) or Tax Identification Number (TIN) to be submitted during the clearance process.

I don't know what all that means but I didn't get hit with any of that, at that time, mid March

 

[Plain Old Barry]

Also, I've been in contact with "agedhorse" who works for Mesa and they're busy trying to figure out the tariffs on parts they import to build their amps. He said they buy very little from China. It's affecting everyone.

It's not just the music biz. The supply chain folks at the communications company where I work is completely confused and looking for guidance where not much is available.

 

[Parzival]

This is information sent to me after ordering out of country recently…

Thank you for your order.

We would like to inform you that, due to recent changes in US import regulations, all shipments to the US containing goods manufactured in either China or Hong Kong are now subject to taxes and duties.

Please note that we are unable to include these additional charges in our shipping costs, as the rates are determined by the specific items. Based on our understanding, the potential duties and taxes for your order are as follows:

• General Duty Rate: Typically, between 2.5% and 6%
• Section 301 Tariff: Typically, 7.5% to 30%
• IEEPA (International Emergency Economic Powers Act): A flat 10%

Additionally, the courier will manage the brokerage process, which may involve an additional charge. Orders with a value of more than $250 will require a Social Security Number (SSN) or Tax Identification Number (TIN) to be submitted during the clearance process.

I don't know what all that means but I didn't get hit with any of that, at that time, mid March

They don’t know what they are talking about and I wouldn’t deal with them. Sellers pay tariffs. If they want to increase the price to compensate, they can, but a buyer here does not physically pay a tariff charge. Taxes and duties are another thing, I’m not sure, but those have been around and I bet they never brought them up before in their sales.

 

[Sid the Kid]

Me too! Great minds!

you're late! I've been using this for weeeeeeeks

 

[Ondoval]

The intention here is to force fair trade with anyone who does business with the US and to start manufacture more here.
The huge tariffs will discourage the American consumer from purchasing those products which will put indirect pressure on the importing country to level the playing field.
It will also force US companies to decide on where they should be getting their parts, perhaps to the point of new businesses starting here to pickup the slack.
I really don't see this being long term.

Stable genius guy said he wanted to bring back jobs. I think he meant that US should produce more things at home? For this to happen the tarrifs need to stay in place for years, as new factories etc must be built.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Definitely. I'm just wondering if the "Made in China" sticker on the production models is going to open it up to 104% tariffs in the US, and if so, how bad that's going to hurt Dingwall and potential customers. I see them typically priced around 3kUSD new, and with a 104% tariff, I would assume that would definitely have most buyers reconsidering. That would be extremely unfortunate.

They would be tariffed at whatever rate is in effect on that day for the country of origin. The reason why it’s the country of origin and not which border it crosses is to eliminate bypassing tariffs by importing through a different country. For some things they look at country of origin at the component level. That’s when it gets really complex as if it’s not already.

 

[Sparkl]

I'd like to thank Trump for finally making us Europeans a bit more patriotic and now having a perfect excuse to ditch our Fenders and start promoting European bass brands.

Kudos!

 

[monsterthompson]

Sellers pay tariffs.

Only if the seller imported the product and is selling from a US shop. The importer pays the tariff, so if he’s buying direct from overseas he pays as the buyer/importer.

 

[embellisher]

Definitely. I'm just wondering if the "Made in China" sticker on the production models is going to open it up to 104% tariffs in the US, and if so, how bad that's going to hurt Dingwall and potential customers. I see them typically priced around 3kUSD new, and with a 104% tariff, I would assume that would definitely have most buyers reconsidering. That would be extremely unfortunate.

Might have buyers reconsidering and purchasing a Canadian manufactured Dingwall, since this pushes the price of the Chinese instruments within range of the Canadian ones.

 

[embellisher]

Just goes to show you how absolutely dumb these tariffs are.

So, are you OK with all of the USA trading partners dropping tariffs on goods sourced or manufactured in the USA?

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Like every other thread about tariffs, this one predictably devolved into politics. Political discussion is not allowed at Talkbass.