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dirty pedals (for dirty slapping)

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Devo-lution, Mar 23, 2010.


  1. Devo-lution

    Devo-lution

    Jun 24, 2009
    Hi folks...

    I have been listening to the Primus albums "Antipop" a lot lately and have noticed that he brings in a lot of overdriven, fuzzy, very heavy (mild octave down?) slap tones...

    I used to be very much into clean (Markbass amp and cab...), but lately I am starting to appreciate dirtier sounds more and more and...

    In my experience... any kind of fuzz/distortion/ovedrive kills my slap tone. What to do in order to make my sound somewhat more dirty and crispy and deep when slapping or eventually also?

    So, any advice concerning the amp (preamps, mods,...) or pedals which might give me the ability to make my slap somewhat less clean...

    p.s. I do want to keep the ability to go back to very clean when the need arises...

    thx
     
  2. Phatbottom

    Phatbottom

    Jan 22, 2010
    Atlanta
    Les used an ADA MB-1 back in those days. It has an overdrive but i'm not sure about his other effects at the time. :meh: ADA is a versatile preamp from what i've heard. Tube and solid state blend-able channels.
     
  3. Matt Dean

    Matt Dean Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2007
    SF (North) Bay Area
    I use a Bass BB moderately overdriven for a couple songs I slap on... sounds pretty cool.
     
  4. groooooove

    groooooove Supporting Member

    Dec 17, 2008
    Long Island, NY
    i have a great mixed soundboard/audience mic recording of a gig where i was slapping through a pretty dirty VT bass, into a markbass amp..

    PM me your email adress and i'll send you the track so you can get an idea of what slapping into a VT bass can sound like. if you want, that is.
     
  5. newbold

    newbold

    Sep 21, 2008
    Toronto
    I play tapewounds and fit slaps and pops in really nicely with my Pigtronix OFO/Disnortion...the octava channel does some great things when it grabs a note and low gain fuzz settings on the 'mid scoop' selection sound like a very dirty preamp.

    I doubt I've got the approach you've got when it comes to slap, but I get loads of great tasty tones through my rig, a lot more percussive than I ever expected with trubass88's.
     
  6. Kromwarp

    Kromwarp

    Sep 16, 2008
    Greater Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Master Luthier: Ironclad Bass Guitars
    I know currently Les uses the gold Line 6 Distortion Modeler
     
  7. Mark Olson

    Mark Olson Inactive

    Mar 19, 2008
    Michigan
    Most distortion pedals seem to be tailored to sounding best when played through with a pick, so lots of them don't quite have the right response for thumbstyle playing.

    One overdrive pedal that I've found worked well for thumbstyle playing was the EBS Multi-Drive. It does have an inherent rolloff of extreme highs, but unlike other drive pedals it can retain the growl you need and give you the dynamic response required for decent overdriven thumbstyle tone. Check it out.
     
  8. Devo-lution

    Devo-lution

    Jun 24, 2009
    @ Mark Olson

    Well, I am not soooo much of a "highs" fan and even when slapping I dial in mostly bass... this is countered, however, by my 2EQ ray, which inherently seems to boosts treble, even with the treble knob only at 40%... I just try to keep things balanced. hmmm, I think it might be wise to check out the EBS.

    @ phatbottom

    Is this ADA preamp fully analog (heard it has some built in effects)? If that preamp is the key to such balanced tubey slapsounds... I might search for one.

    What's the general opinion on slapping through a tube pre-amp here? Is this really dangerous for the tubes like some folks in the local guitar store claim, or are there tube preamps around that might give the necessary beef and growl and also whitstand slapping peaks?

    thanks
    Kim
     
  9. Mark Olson

    Mark Olson Inactive

    Mar 19, 2008
    Michigan
    I've played thumbstyle through all kinds of tube amps and tube preamps. Never once harmed a tube from it. The idea that playing thumbstyle is going to harm a tube is bull. If anything is going to harm a tube, that's not it.
     
  10. Deluge Of Sound

    Deluge Of Sound Inactive

    Nov 8, 2007
    Maine/Vermont
    I just wanted to chime in to say that I clicked on this thread hoping the full title was
    dirty pedals (for dirty people).

    I'm very sad that this was not the case.
     
  11. Devo-lution

    Devo-lution

    Jun 24, 2009
    One of those that especially shined?
     
  12. Mark Olson

    Mark Olson Inactive

    Mar 19, 2008
    Michigan
    Unfortunately a lot of drive pedals are accurate (to the amps they're trying to emulate) in their incomplete friendliness to thumbstyle playing.

    When I make a pedal suggestion I'm speaking from my perspective as someone who's owned over $30,000 worth of pedals, and unfortunately I think the EBS is as good as it gets for a simple one pedal solution when speaking about overdrive, especially if you're still running that Markbass amp. One thing about drive pedals in general, a lot of them sound better going into some tubes. The EBS however is an exception.
     
  13. Sound Chaser

    Sound Chaser

    Mar 19, 2005
    Lockport, NY
    On Antipop, Les used an Ampeg SVT-5 Pro, which has an incredible distortion channel and a built-in octaver.
     
  14. Andy Walhor

    Andy Walhor

    Jun 21, 2009
  15. Phatbottom

    Phatbottom

    Jan 22, 2010
    Atlanta
    Its not fully analog but the preamp section is i believe. It does have digital effects that some people like and others don't but it does have blend able solid-state and tube sections.
    Slapping though a tube amp will not damage the tubes but it might clip your signal depending on the gain. The resulting sound may or may not be to your liking but your just as likely to clip a solid state signal path. I also think most of Les' tone lies in his Carl Thompsons and his fingers :smug:
     
  16. Mark Olson

    Mark Olson Inactive

    Mar 19, 2008
    Michigan
    The clipping in a tube preamp IS the overdrive or dirtiness I think he's looking for.
     
  17. Phatbottom

    Phatbottom

    Jan 22, 2010
    Atlanta
    I agree and i doubt you'll find such dirtiness in pedal form.
     
  18. Mark Olson

    Mark Olson Inactive

    Mar 19, 2008
    Michigan
    Well there are tons and tons of pedals that emulate tube clipping, many of them do it fairly well, but no, it's not the same.

    My favorite separate tube preamp is the EHX English Muff'n. Great sound and great price. It does wonders for the growl of a Jazz Bass at lower gain settings.
     
  19. MaxMaps

    MaxMaps

    May 26, 2009
    Portland, Oregon
    I would think that the sourcebox audio multiwave distortion would make some great dirty slapping sounds. From the clips I heard you could get what you wanted out of that box plus some.

    I don't think I should talk. When I play slap bass I crank out the gnarilest fuzz I have. =D
     
  20. JimmyM

    JimmyM

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    whatever you get, make sure it doesn't cut lows or has a blend knob. that's why the vt pedal works so well for stuff like that...has enough lows so it doesn't need a blend.
     
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