good point, but this was happening in the 90's.
you're forgetting streaming music services of the last decade, and you're forgetting MTV in the 80's.
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Disruptions in Music over Time
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good point, but this was happening in the 90's.
you're forgetting streaming music services of the last decade, and you're forgetting MTV in the 80's.
Interesting! Magnetic pickups and adding frets to certain instruments should be there somewhere!
Which ones specifically? Most are definitely disruptive. Maybe some are more subjective, but I am not sure. Which ones? An advance might at first be incremental but be viewed as disruptive if it radically alters the trajectory of something.
The Napster Phenom - unprecedented free access to almost everything... and speaking ethically, induced me to buy an awful lot of legit CDs etc.
That is a good one. I put it with internet and streaming that made it possible.
p.s. You are not the only one to wink at the IP ethical dilemma.
Once music became digitized and the internet pipes were opened, it was a matter of time. One could make the same argument about sheet music and the photocopier - although the magnitude of $$ are much different.
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Not sure i saw these in there, but i think its a worthy mention of moving from commercial studios to home studios.
- Recording your band at home (onto ADAT or cassette) in the 80s/90s.
- DAW production (2000's and up) from home. This in particular, as it relates to time as you can visually see how off you are to a metronome.
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It's your list and you can call them what you want. It's just not the way I view them. When your cable service is disrupted, what does that mean? It's non-working or unusable. That isn't the case here. If you view them historically,, they all lead up to where we are today. They are innovations that are advancing music to where it is today. Just my opinion.
It's your list and you can call them what you want. It's just not the way I view them. When your cable service is disrupted, what does that mean? It's non-working or unusable. That isn't the case here. If you view them historically,, they all lead up to where we are today. They are innovations that are advancing music to where it is today. Just my opinion.
That is a good one. I put it with internet and streaming that made it possible.
p.s. You are not the only one to wink at the IP ethical dilemma.
It's a very interesting thread, and thanks! Another additional point might be, circa 1900, the perfection of player pianos (and organs & violins!) that enabled 'recordings' done by great players of the time; technologically speaking anyway.
I hear you, but the notion of disruptive technologies is very old. Disruption or interruption of a service is a different thing all together. There is a whole bunch of scientific and economic literature on the subject. Check out stuff by Christensen. Clayton Christensen - Wikipedia
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Let me illustrate a couple of examples.
Let's say you are a music publisher in 1878 and you make money by selling sheet music. You hire people to run your printing presses, transcribe music, sales people to sell the music, lawyers to catch infringers, etc. Then some guy named Edison comes along with a phonograph and starts selling recorded music and eventually people stop buying your sheet music. The industry has been disrupted. Maybe you were smart and started signing artists and got rich selling records. Maybe you rode it out and lost your shirt. That is a disruptive technology.
Lets say you are a company that presses vinyl in the 70's. You sell LP records and sleeves. You've invested millions in the technology and are making big $$. Maybe you spent your whole life learning how to edit and master for LPs. Then Philips comes along with optical recording (CD). Maybe you invest in the new technology - maybe not. By the late 80's no one is buying LPs anymore. That is a technology disruption.
Let's say you are a music publisher in 1878 and you make money by selling sheet music. You hire people to run your printing presses, transcribe music, sales people to sell the music, lawyers to catch infringers, etc. Then some guy named Edison comes along with a phonograph and starts selling recorded music and eventually people stop buying your sheet music. The industry has been disrupted. Maybe you were smart and started signing artists and got rich selling records. Maybe you rode it out and lost your shirt. That is a disruptive technology.
Lets say you are a company that presses vinyl in the 70's. You sell LP records and sleeves. You've invested millions in the technology and are making big $$. Maybe you spent your whole life learning how to edit and master for LPs. Then Philips comes along with optical recording (CD). Maybe you invest in the new technology - maybe not. By the late 80's no one is buying LPs anymore. That is a technology disruption.
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I love this one. I wonder (historically) what the economic impact was. But if you were trying to provide music in certain environments, it probably was a big deal. I will have to Google the date.
p.s. There was a "Player Violin"? Crazy!
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That's just trickle-down technology; with the advent of magnetic pickups and vacuum tube amplification, first applied to lap steel guitar and then to 'Spanish' guitar in the 30's, that was the beginning of the impact of electrified instruments. It should be noted that Rickenbacker attempted a stick style upright bass with a pickup around that time, paired with crude amplification, and then there's the whole Paul Tutmarc saga, but those were foresighted answers to questions that weren't exactly being asked yet. On guitar, very few players, Charlie Christian being the primary, realized that the electric was a different animal than an amplified acoustic; he stretched out with the concept of lead playing(and at times it seems like he was almost getting into feedback), dragging it out of rhythm instrument mode. But he died young, and then the Second World War shut everything down for a few years. In the new normal that followed, yes, the electric bass guitar emerged, but its acceptance was long in coming, about a decade, and its use was not a universal game changer. The upright did not disappear. But its existance did help create new types of music, and redirect old ones.
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The invention of rennaissance music, barok music, the tritone or devils chord and the blue note. Also electricity and Leo Fender.
I used to talk about during some of the classes I taught during the post-Napster/pre-iTunes era when the music industry was disrupted by the free distribution of their product (and their lack of foresight to know that the Internet would force them to rethink their business model. Instead of adjusting, they decided to try to destroy the technology by suing everyone with a computer. I talked about how the music industry reaction was just a little bit of history repeating itself. In the 1800s, sheet music publishing companies controlled the market in terms of selling music. When player pianos came along and sold access to music that wasn't written as dots and stems on a piece of paper, the music publishing companies tried to sue the player piano companies out of existence. They failed legally, but found their profits increasing due to greater demand for 'publishing rights' for piano roll music. When Edison came along, the music companies saw a great threat again to their print and player roll revenues and tried to sue the phonograph companies out of existence. They failed legally, but found their profits increasing due to greater demand for 'publishing rights' for recorded music (plus they entered the new recording industry). Then radio came along-- same story. Then magnetic tape came along and those of us who are old enough remember that the music industry tried to prevent magnetic tape industry from starting up ("Kids will be taping their records and sharing with friends!!"). Rinse, lather, repeat. CD-ROM copying- the death of the industry! Sue the computer companies! Meanwhile, the industry was making unprecedented amounts of money selling old Uriah Heep and Foghat LPs we bought in the 1960s-70s back to us on their 5 cent CD-ROMs (and with no recording costs). Then, we all know how the Napster/file-sharing story. Pandora et al. have figured out how to use Napster-like technology to make money and to give even less money to artists. Cue Shirley Bassey, until the next new tech pioneers come about.
Disruptive? You be the judge.
Disruptive? You be the judge.
New technologies in how the hammer resets itself in a piano ... it made many piano piece more accessible that only some speed demon could play.
When middle class could finally buy music instruments and so started to play at home ... before only a kid with high talent could have a master took him under his wing.
When middle class started to play music... they weren't all creative so big section of music that were improvised became written and so classical musicians lost all improvisational skills.
When middle class could finally buy music instruments and so started to play at home ... before only a kid with high talent could have a master took him under his wing.
When middle class started to play music... they weren't all creative so big section of music that were improvised became written and so classical musicians lost all improvisational skills.
Primarily Western music:
Development of tonality
Rise of monophonic music
Rise of polyphonic and secular music
Formalization of music theory
Baroque
Classical
Rise of opera
Professionalization of orchestras and musicians
Loss of royal/elite patronage
Atonal music
Sampling
Home recording
Soundscan
Streaming
COVID
Yeah, that doesn't work. Aside from the aforementioned lack of connection, classical music was immensely popular and prestigious throughout the 1950s (and later in Europe afaik), during which time big bands were getting killed by small jazz ensembles, and rock n' roll.
