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DIY Headless Wine Box Bass, err...Wall Art

Williethump

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When I started this frenzied covid build project using leftover bass and ukulele parts, I figured the odds of it ending up a bass or a wall hanging were 50/50.

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I was probably an optometrist, this never had a chance.

The mismatch between the low structural strength of a common pine wine crate and mighty electric bass strings was an obvious problem.

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Paid $15 for a Rogue baritone uke ‘project’ with stick-on pickup and cute dog dish resonater and bird cover plate.

This fortuitously matched this charity shop 3-bottle wine storage and shipping crate’s bird logo.
So I braced the neck with wood blocks and hefty wood screws I found in the garage every place I could.

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Hardest challenge, drilling neck end and firmly attaching Headpiece of Rah ball end holder.

Needed a longer small drill but quarantine so I wrecked a usable nut. Not much meat left after hogging out the hole to save the truss rod nut (Dremmeled slot).

This can work for a parts bin headless conversion.
But as you can see by the one inch tall action-wall art it is. Any further attempt at tuning it might have cracked the wine box so I gave up on sound.

I’m convinced this could work with gusset bracing and much smaller strings.

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Since is not tunable or functional I never bothered hooking up the piezo pickup I took from a $15USD charity shop uke project.

I’ll save it for another covid make-work, stay busy project to pass my dull days here in Dystopiaville, USA.
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This didn’t crack or bend, surprising me. The box itself was distorting.
On the plus side the modified ukulele headstock (tailstock?) actually seemed to work pretty well in tuning the beast.
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Though I feared for the tiny machine heads with each turn of the miniature knobs, they stood up to the meaty bass strings very well.
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So, successful wall art but not playable. Post-mortem analysis shows the idea to be workable but component choices questionable.
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Good fit, pretty loud acoustically thanks to the dog dish resonater and thin, roundwound, salvage bass strings.

Untuned though, with an action height of approx. one inch (25.4mm).

Go Packers!, Niners being out of it. But just wait until last year, Super Bowl, baby!
Chopping off the Behringer neck’s headstock and neck base allowed me to re-slot the truss rod nut on the otherwise defunct neck.

This could work if attached to a solid block instead of a weak, unbraced pine box.
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Chrome bumper was from a door latch secured with self tapping sheet metal screws.

Under the ugly Rogue Baritone Ukulele ‘Blood Burst’ finish was pretty maple or pine or whatever. Never paint unless you need to do it.

Then go ahead and pollute, bios killer. Because ‘putty and paint make a carpenter what he (she) ain’t’.
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Alternatively, installing a small guitar or ukulele headless neck on a beefed up wine crate would also work, I think. But not as a bass.

So, it looks cool in my unfinished new-old-stock batchelor bass-themed living room .
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Plus it cost me next to nothing and I didn’t even need to break quarantine in these terrible days.
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If you can’t make music then make art.
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Just a thought to have made it workable. And it's simple. ( I build and sell Cigar Box Guitars)
Center a 2x4 in the box and mount it securely between the ends so that the the neck and the tailstock headpiece (???) attach to the 2x4.
The 2x4 takes the stress almost like a neckthough.
If the resonator is in the way, then frame out around the top of the box so that the frame takes the stress.
 
@Lizooki
Thanks for the excellent tip, I considered that very solution to the box strength issue. Essentially it would be like that primitive early electric guitar 'The Plank' attached to a resonating wine box.
The Blackbird Pies dog bowl resonator, cutout circular surround, piezo pickup and idea came from, I believe, the CB Gitty website. Love the CB guitars.
What I really think I need is a 4-string tenor guitar tuned E, A, D and G so I can play the melody parts I already play on my basses.
I wont take this 'art piece' down from the wall, it really pulls the room together. But I'm looking to build another CB type stringed something or other.
The wine box was a good ergonomic shape (for a CB type bass!) and the dog dish resonator bowl and relatively large size cavity made it acoustically fairly loud.
I checked the Web but didn't find any CB guitar site similar to your TB handle. Drop your website url here if you would, I'm sort of looking for another wine crate to build a workable e, a, d, g tuned tenor guitar and would like to see your work. Thanks for the constructive tip.
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@Lizooki
Nice looking axes. Sorry to hear how you got treated. Your site might need bigger, clickable pics to show your work better. Viewers love that CBG pr0n! I definitely need a 4-string higher pitched ax of some kind and building it would maximize the fun factor, for me. Thanks for the views and comments and tips.
@MattZilla
Go to legal cannabis shops in NorCal, it's a free ad sticker from some grower or edible cooker. I generally use stickers and lapel pins to cover blemishes or my errors, like my SEIU union pin on the top to cover misplaced drill holes. Though in this case I just thought it was a pretty cool (medicated) feline. Thanks for the comment.
 
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@MattZilla
Love your user icon. I build fixie/single-speed bikes as well as 'wall art'. Just finished an early Raleigh Record USA SS conversion and am getting ready to post it to my blog. Love the steel framed Japanese, French and US bikes from the 70s and early 80s. Cool looking lugs, light springy chromo steel frames: nice era for paint, decals and stickers as well. Best workout too, with no spare cheater gears to wuss out on in the wind or on hills. Just gut it out. Get strong.
 
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@Williethump having broken a Peugeot and a Gitane in under two weeks of ownership each, I didn’t have much enthusiasm for the French ones till this Lejeune I built up this past spring to replace a Bridgestone 300 I cracked.

I definitely love Miyatas, 531 Raleighs & Treks. I forgot about the weird French threading when I bought the Lejeune in my rush for 531 tubes, 74* geo, and fender clearance & mounts. I’m really grateful for Velo Orange supporting that area.

This bike has surpassed my 531c Trek 770 as my favorite.
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Getting ready to start an R&D collab and thinking of blogging anything that doesn’t fall under the NDA. What’s your blog?
 
@MattZilla
We're ten clicks from OT but you are bringing me back to the back times, mon. Had a Gitane as a ute and I've converted several steel framers like Centurion, Miyata, Raleigh, Schwinn Japan, Peugeot, Adzuki...
Yeah, better hope the old French bike you are wrenching on has good steering races and ball bearings; and the bottom bracket is also non standard in size and threads. And French. But they do ride so smooth and sexy when you can get the pretty old things to function.
My bike posts are in my back pages mostly so search by category: todgermanica.com. The blog is like Seinfeld, about nothing, so if you like my diy bass, bike or carpentry posts you are sure to hate my politics and attempted humor. It's why it has been so wildly unpopular for over five years.
 
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nice wine box bass prototype, Williethump ! love the pics, the story, the commentary, the attitude, the effort, and finally: the art! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cool project! along with the structural suggestions: if you make the next one fretless = the scale and 'setup' stuff may not be as critical for actually getting a playable instrument out of it...just sayin'! i look forward to your next build! ;)
 
@JRA
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I've got a Hadean walnut uke bass on order with Reverb if it ever ships. F-holes! Cute as the dickins if it looks like the web pics. So I don't need any more basses. But this was a fun project and I've got some parts already for another build attempt. Maybe a proper headless next time and not a Rube Goldberg flipfloped 'tailstock', fun as that was to build.
But I'm pining for a 4-string something in guitar octave but not tuned d, g, b and e like a tenor guitar but instead e, a, d and g. Or else b, e, a and d. Be fun to scavenger hunt down box, neck, pickups etc, build it myself.
Nix on the fretless neck though, I already own a beautiful closet queen Yamaha BB350F fretless I can't play. It lives next to my exquisite OLP clone Stingray ebmm I also can't play. I drag them out, tune, dust and confirm "nope, still can't play 'em". Too nice to ever sell though and if the covid drags on and on I might learn to play them after all. Like Groundhog Day.
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@MattZilla
Thanks, that old Goodwill Auction short scale Harmony H906 is basically wall art too because I don't want to spend any more time and effort on it, too worn. But that seafoam engine block paint I rattle-can sprayed on was sure a pretty color. Whose engine blocks were ever that color, Chrysler?
 
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@JRA
I see you have a low Glarry/Burning Fire club member number so I know you appreciate the cheap and the cheery, the beater/parts/frankenbass joy of buying and making and tweaking and breaking for little money or for nothing. It doubles the fun for me to play something I've built or modified or customized.
When I bought a very nice (though sharp-fretted!) replacement KMISE J-neck for my test mule bass for $38usd I thought, how in the world do they make money at that price? Same as I thought when I heard the Glarry/Burning prices. Seemingly impossible prices for some nice stuff or at least stuff with potential. To me all wood is tone wood and all wood is beautiful and nice to work with.
 
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I see you have a low Glarry/Burning Fire club member number so I know you appreciate the cheap and the cheery
i requested that number early because it had some personal, symbolic (private joke) value to me --- but you're right about associating me with "the cheapies." :laugh:

before retirement: i had spent a lifetime chasing "the best," and although i appreciated those instruments there was always something 'not-quite-right' even though i spent thousands on custom builds by luthiers. when i deconstructed the EB in an objective way, i decided to build myself some parts basses (leo's "genius" contribution) that conformed to my list of must-have qualities. i've taken chances on cheap parts (where i could) and premium parts (where i needed them) to assemble some very nice axes for myself. the glarry instruments afforded me the opportunity to use lightweight bodies as a platform for fender-style assemblies. like yourself, i've had a bunch of fun/pride putting together some unique/special axes. a couple of mine are fairly incredible (for me) though all of my cheapies play well. i'm very picky about how my axes feel/play so they all have certain 'benchmark' qualities.

but i'm a natural supporter of folks who take chances with concept/design to get something to work in the first place, or to improve the way something is supposed to work. to me, your wine box bass is both a clever idea and a personally satisfying endeavor --- to which i can relate! ;)
 
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beautiful closet queen Yamaha BB350F fretless I can't play. It lives next to my exquisite OLP clone Stingray ebmm I also can't play. I drag them out, tune, dust and confirm "nope, still can't play 'em". Too nice to ever sell though and if the covid drags on and on I might learn to play them after all.

Step Zero - get them out of the closet. Put them on stands or the wall or someplace where it's no effort to grab them.

Step One - Play

Step Two - don't give up if it doesn't sound perfect.

Step Three - repeat Step One.

Spend at least 5 minutes every day playing them. Not an hour once a week, not "I spent 15 minutes the other day so I can take 2 days off." If it takes you 10 minutes to get them out of the closet and set up to play, you're not going to do that, so see Step Zero.

3.5 years into owning and not getting to play much on my fretted Yamaha, circumstances combined to put me on the borrowed Lidl (the deep dive into the deep end of fretless-ness) with other folks on a regular basis. I was not particularly good. I got better. I still have plenty of room to get better-er yet, but they seem to consider me an asset rather than a detriment. It won't happen if you don't put in the effort. But it's not some unscalable peak, just one you don't get to the top of if you keep walking around it instead of up.
 
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@T_Bone_TL
Thanks for the tips. I intend to put the fretless Yammy and the 5-string OLP Stingray clone up on the walls when I can buy or make hangers, both for esthetics and to encourage me to keep trying to play them. Yes, frequent baby steps is the ticket. The fretless is also mysterious to me in intonation, don't really know where to fret it when intonating it. Probably a professional setup is needed. I'm not giving up on these nice axes, too nice to ever give up on and sell or donate. I'll be seventy in March and my great grandpa lived to almost 110 so unless covid kills me I might have some time left to learn how to play them, slow learner or not. Thanks again.
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When I was checking sites for headless conversion ideas I probably saw this via premier guitar, an original headless Steinberger prototype with a 'tailstock'.
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Original image via headless usa . Heiko Hoepfinger says the Kramer Duke and Warwick’s Nobby Meidel model also used this (flawed) design. He points out the many virtues of modern day tiny and handy headless linear bridge tuners. Good read. I might have seen this pic and forgotten about it. Nothing new under the sun. He says;
'...it’s obvious why Steinberger took the straight-pull route: Standard tuners lack several advantages of “linear tuner” headless construction. For starters, because strings are wound around the tuning pegs, they’re longer than needed and this creates greater tuning instability. Also if you bump into something or when you put the bass in a case, standard tuners can be as easily detuned on a headless instrument as on a classic one..."
And I can tell you the headless doesn't much like to stand up on the tailstock either. Even with a chrome bumper.