If you look at my profile you'll see that ive tried lots of cabs lately. I'm very very happy with the DNA and would definitely suggest checking one out.
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DNA vs Eden
- Thread starter Art Araya
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If you look at my profile you'll see that ive tried lots of cabs lately. I'm very very happy with the DNA and would definitely suggest checking one out.
Looking for cabinet options with my USA Eden Metro 2x10.
I am probably going to pull the chassis on my Metro and install in a separate head cabinet....can't deal with the weight any longer!
Sounds like this DNA cabinet as a solid option for a different, more neutral sounding 2x10 cabinet that is lighter weight.
I am probably going to pull the chassis on my Metro and install in a separate head cabinet....can't deal with the weight any longer!
Sounds like this DNA cabinet as a solid option for a different, more neutral sounding 2x10 cabinet that is lighter weight.
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I use both cabinets. The DNA indeed has a good bit more transparency compared to the Eden. The Neo speaker(s) make it a good bit lighter. I am basing this on the comparison between a DNA NS12 single 12" NEO with tweeter and an Eden Time Traveller with 10" coax tweeter speaker (the original Eden drive is no longer made so I have an EV in there).
This was my first experience with an Eden. I had an old Metro combo given to me and the brains died so I pulled the head out and used the 210. Even without the head its pretty heavy but it did have a nice mid growl to it.
Your description of the DNA as lighter and more neutral is spot on.
I could be wrong but I don't believe the 210 has Neo speakers. I don't recall reading that in the specs. Also the last three cabs ive owned have been Neo and this one doesn't sound like them.
The DNA 210 has ceramic speakers. So does the DNA 410.
It's my understanding that David is only shipping ceramic due to the high cost of neo speakers. He has renamed his DNA 112N to a 112C.
I'm bummed DNA is not going to be at NAMM next weekend in SoCal. I was hoping to meet David at the show.
It's my understanding that David is only shipping ceramic due to the high cost of neo speakers. He has renamed his DNA 112N to a 112C.
I'm bummed DNA is not going to be at NAMM next weekend in SoCal. I was hoping to meet David at the show.
Art, long time no speak. And kinda late to the thread, sorry my man. But I still have my Eden D210XLT if you want to do a side by side. I'd be happy to make some time to make it happen, if you want.
Some of the links on DNA's site don't work for me. What dealers carry them, and how much does a 210 go for?
Okay, I found that The Bass Place sells DNA and the 210 costs $750. Not too cheap. Also, the speakers are in a horizontal configuration, and the product description suggests adding a 15 cab for more bottom end. People still do this?
I use a single 210 and its got plenty of bottom for my needs. If you need to push more air there's a DNA 410 for sale in the Classifieds.
Don't worry what the description says, adding the 15 is a waste of time. The 410 can do some damage with low end, but the 210 obviously has less. However, it does a good job with 5 string Spector. Better than any 210 I have ever tried. If you want crazy amounts of low end, the 410 is the way to go.
Yeah, I'm just tired of manufacturers - who should know better - spewing the same old text about adding a 15 for lows. This is usually preceded by a description of how deep and full their tens cabinet is as a stand alone.
Never mind that around TB mixing driver sizes is a sin. As you point out, it's not necessary.
And why not put feet on the side, so I can stack them vertically?
The point of my mini-rant is that amp companies have made huge strides in engineering. Yet, in some ways, they are coaxing us to "listen with our eyes" or hang on to outdated "truths".
Never mind that around TB mixing driver sizes is a sin. As you point out, it's not necessary.
And why not put feet on the side, so I can stack them vertically?
The point of my mini-rant is that amp companies have made huge strides in engineering. Yet, in some ways, they are coaxing us to "listen with our eyes" or hang on to outdated "truths".
I totally agree with you Bob. I am quite tired of the marketing garbage companies put out in hopes of selling products. I could rant for a while on that, but I think I will just leave it at that...
I have rocked two 210's on their side (vertical stack) and I put a piece of carpet or a rubber pad of some sort between them. The one negative about the cab is the absence of interlocking corners like the Eden cabs had.
This 210 is an oversized cab - the low end is actually really good. If you are expecting to fill a decent sized room with one DNA 210, It will not do it.
I have rocked two 210's on their side (vertical stack) and I put a piece of carpet or a rubber pad of some sort between them. The one negative about the cab is the absence of interlocking corners like the Eden cabs had.
This 210 is an oversized cab - the low end is actually really good. If you are expecting to fill a decent sized room with one DNA 210, It will not do it.
No, I'm not looking for a single 2X10 cab to "do it all". I AM setting out to purchase a new rig that is modular, small and loud. Also, I hate to have price be a huge deciding factor ... but it is.
I've been seriously looking at GK MB heads and NEO cabs, as well as Genz Benz Focus cabs. I've been weighing the pros and cons of different speaker configurations.
The DNA cabinets look good, but the price is a bit steep for me.
I've been seriously looking at GK MB heads and NEO cabs, as well as Genz Benz Focus cabs. I've been weighing the pros and cons of different speaker configurations.
The DNA cabinets look good, but the price is a bit steep for me.
I have a tried several of the nicer GB cabs and they are quite loud - very similar to the DNA cabs in tone and volume.
If you are digging the tones on the GK MB heads, the heads have plenty of power for gigs. I had the MB800 for a short time - I was not a fan of the tone, but it could BLAST you off the stage without much effort.
If you are digging the tones on the GK MB heads, the heads have plenty of power for gigs. I had the MB800 for a short time - I was not a fan of the tone, but it could BLAST you off the stage without much effort.
My last out of town road trip to Guitar Center was a bit of a disappointment, in that they had no Genz Benz or many other brands that I'd hoped to try out. I've heard great things about the Uber series, but those are probably out of my price range anyway.
They DID have a GK MB200 and a NEO 410. The sound was not "to die for", but I liked it and it was easy to dial in. I'm using that as a reference, should I decide to order the 500 or 800.
My intent is to get two small and loud cabs to stack. A minimal stage footprint is important, and they need to fit in my back seat too.
Now we get into the trade offs: Two 15s have slightly more cone area than four 10s. Four 12s Trumps everything, but it's more money and bigger cabs. One 2X12 cab will probably suffice for most, but not all my gigs. And I really want to stack cabs to get the sound closer to my ears.
Sound familiar? I want it all ... for cheap!
They DID have a GK MB200 and a NEO 410. The sound was not "to die for", but I liked it and it was easy to dial in. I'm using that as a reference, should I decide to order the 500 or 800.
My intent is to get two small and loud cabs to stack. A minimal stage footprint is important, and they need to fit in my back seat too.
Now we get into the trade offs: Two 15s have slightly more cone area than four 10s. Four 12s Trumps everything, but it's more money and bigger cabs. One 2X12 cab will probably suffice for most, but not all my gigs. And I really want to stack cabs to get the sound closer to my ears.
Sound familiar? I want it all ... for cheap!
The Eden and DNA appear to share another family trait: Pride.
They sure are proud of those boxes, considering how much they ask for them.
They sure are proud of those boxes, considering how much they ask for them.
I'd put the DNA cabs up against any other high-end cab out there. I love the product line and just recently picked up a pair of 112's that just kill.
Marketers & salespeople are going to continue to do what they always do: Tell potential customers what they think those potential customers want to hear.
Numerous consumer behavior research studies have demonstrated that consumers' pre-existing notions about products & services can be extremely difficult to ever change - no matter how erroneous or misguided those notions may be. And that difficulty factor (based on suspicion, defensiveness and/or hostility) only doubles or triples, when the person who's trying to educate the customer happens also to be the guy trying to sell him something.
At the end of the day, gear manufacturers are in business primarily to sell gear and to realize a profit - not to function as an educational service. And if they find that the great majority of bassists and future bassists are convinced that pairing a 1x15 cab with a 2x10 or 4x10 cab represents the best possible means of producing an ideal sound, then most of them are going to try to work within the parameters that the customer himself has set - rather than risk losing a sale by trying to change the customer's mind.
Until a critical mass of public perception & public opinion catches up to the most up-to-date knowledge about cab components, cab design & cab performance, you can expect most gear manufacturers to continue to act in what they perceive to be their own short-term self interest. That's business.
Mixing driver sizes is a "sin" in the same sense that eating nothing but Doritos and drinking nothing but Red Bull is a sin: There isn't necessarily a huge moral dimension to it. But you'll become sick, bloated and malnourished just the same.
Likewise, if you insist upon pairing a 1x15 cab with a 4x10 cab, on the assumption that the 1x15 will "provide all your lows", there isn't any "TalkBass Cabinet Police" who will show up at your door with a set of handcuffs. But you shouldn't be too surprised to find that almost no one can hear your bass rig 30 degrees off-axis. Or that you now have huge frequency holes in your sound. Or that you've blown out your 15" driver in vain attempt to get it to "keep up" with your 4x10 cab.
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David had the 210 over 115 config when he debuted his amp at Bass Club Chicago. That combination killed. Thick but with tight definition from the 210's. So much so that I almost rethought my plans for 2x112.
210+115 is a totally valid, great sounding combination of cabs, and worthy of consideration, IMHO.
