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Do 4 string basses sound different than 5 string basses?

Let's crack open a can of worms here! :)

Ignorning the B string, do you find that 5 string basses sound different than 4 string basses?

It's hard to explain what I'm trying to get at here. I had a 4 paragraph post written out that went nowhere so I deleted that so let me try to sum this up and see where it goes.

Essentially, it just seems that I'm always chasing a 4 string that sounds as good as my 5 strings. I've had a lot of 5 strings (and a LOT of 4 strings) and it just seems that the 5 strings always have a deeper, clearer, stronger sound. Especially the E string. I just can't find that power from a 4 string bass, and I've had some NICE 4 string basses. And I currently own 5 of them. I always go back to my 5 strings though.

I thought maybe it was the scale length, as all of my current 5's are 35" scale. But then I remember back when I had a pair of 34" scale 5 strings and loved them as well.

Maybe I'm not finding the right 4 string, but it just seems that they all have a more upper mid sound and not as deep and clear like the 5's. But it seems that no matter how hard I try, after years of buying basses, I can't find a 4 string that I love the sound of, while incredible sounding 5 string basses just seem to fall in my lap...which literally happened...which is one reason I'm doing this thread.

Maybe I'm crazy?

What have you been smokin? ;)
Basically you mean that if you took off the low B on a 5er, the rest of the strings sounds different? If all else equal you'll hear that the exact corresponding variant of each 4 and 5 string bass differs in density, and weight. The 5er weighs more due to (or thanks to) the added width of neck, added headstock dimension, wider pickups, wider body. If everything else is equal. I think you would find the same difference if compared the same 4er to another 4er with serial numbers right one after the other. Or any 5er. There are so many things "fluke" that one model of a bass can have that mojo in tone, while another totally dead, and you could ruminate until you die why it is so.

I would rather take that the added dimensions, density and weight plays a role - significantly - on ALL strings on the 5er. It isn't as easy as trying to find the same 5er (model brand) that has the same weight as the 4er. Or the other way around, because then you have to tamper and tinker with the wood, or thickness of the body and so on. It all resonates to some extent. I can very well think that the sustaining part of the other 4 strings is a tad longer, but it's so subtle that maybe only the distinguished player would take notice, while playing certain passages, and leaning in with finger attack. There's simply "more mass" involved in the 5 stringer. No matter how little. I am one of the few people who thinks the lightweight bodies of today, are detrimental to the low B's sound. Especially the open low B. The more rigid, dense, and "more mass" of the whole beam so to speak, the tighter and less flubby the sound. And yes, it comes as weight. You can't have it another way. My favorite thing to equal flubbiness out and equal tension among all strings, are fanned frets solution. There you have other factors to deal with. But not any of them detrimental, neither to weight or something else.

All this said, I think only the rest of the 4 strings sounds different only, not necessarily better.
 
I feel the same way - my five string (older Ken Smith model) is noticeably "fuller" than my fours. BUT, after listening to a recording some time ago of a gig (with really decent clarity), I was very taken with the sound of my 5 on a few particular tunes, only later to see some pics of the gig and that I was actually using a 70s Gibson with the same amp set-up. Bottom line, that perceived sound and tone that you think you hear is really really hard for anyone else to distinguish (let alone your own ears).
 
While as in if you could take the very same 5er of yours, but equip and mod it so it had just 4 strings all over it with incredibly wide string spacing, the results would be the same, and - yes - leave the 5th tuner free at the headstock but still on there. If the pickups has pole pieces they might not line up that well, but if they have rails in them it's no problem.
 
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You should try experiment...
My experiment would be more fun, but significantly more expensive!
  1. Get a duplicate of your 5
  2. Replace nut, bridge, pickups, to make it a 4-string (Be sure to keep the unused tuning peg!!!)
  3. Play that four stringer!!
Experiment #2 (Much cheaper!)
  1. Remove 5th string from current 5-string bass.
  2. Play that four stringer!!
Does it still sound the same as before? Does it sound as 'bad' as your other 4-stringers?

Lots and lots of variables to check. You could probably spend the time more enjoyably by just playing...
YMMV

D.
 
My experiment would be more fun, but significantly more expensive!
  1. Get a duplicate of your 5
  2. Replace nut, bridge, pickups, to make it a 4-string (Be sure to keep the unused tuning peg!!!)
  3. Play that four stringer!!
Experiment #2 (Much cheaper!)
  1. Remove 5th string from current 5-string bass.
  2. Play that four stringer!!
Does it still sound the same as before? Does it sound as 'bad' as your other 4-stringers?

Lots and lots of variables to check. You could probably spend the time more enjoyably by just playing...
YMMV

D.
Great minds hits the POST REPLY key at the same time...almost...;-)
 
AH, I'm glad you brought this up and I'll tell you exactly what it is, it's the wood, not so much the type of wood but the amount of wood, 5 string Basses have wider necks which means more wood of course to accommodate 5th string; so, a wider neck/more wood produces a warmer, broader and deeper tone. Don't believe me? Go to your local shops, plug in a 4 string and a 5 string of the exact same Bass, let's just say ... the Fender Elite Jazz Basses; play them both back to back without touching the B string on the 5 string Bass, only play the E A D & G strings, then come back and tell us why you think the 5-string Bass sounds better than the 4 string Bass even though you didn't even touch the B string. This also applies of course to passes bases take your Geddy Lee bass which is known for its thin profile neck and then take likes a '74 Jazz Bass which has a thicker neck, the '74 Jazz is going to sound warmer and deeper because of the thickness of the wood, even if they have the same exact pickups in them, the '74 is going to have a deeper in warmer tone. This is why I choose to play Jazz Basses with Precision Bass necks. Of course you're going to have those that totally disagree, but hey I go by what my ears tell me.
 
5 strings tend to not have the traditional C-C#-D dead spot that a lot of 4 strings have.
Which can be moved or partially eliminated by adding weight to the headstock with something like a a "Fat Finger".

A 5 string bass tends to have more mass due to wider neck and an additional tuning key. Some 5 string basses have 2 truss rods. Also many have a longer scale (35 or 36).
 
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There's so many variables in what makes overall tone that no two basses will sound EXACTLY the same, IMO.
I agree with this.
There are many variables - additional mass density of a five string neck over a four string, additional bridge mass, longer pickups hence coils in a five string bass, heck even the sympathetic resonance of that extra B string. I do think much of the difference is perceived though.
 
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What C-C#-D,, Is that on the low E string or the A string ??? Never thought about a P-bass for example having a dead spot on those notes... Elaborate. ??
The dead spot is found on many 4 string basses on the G string (somewhere between frets 5-7).
It is mainly noticeable with basses that have all 4 tuning keys on one side of the headstock.
Adding weight to the other side of the headstock partially removes the problem.

It is also a problem with some guitar models.
Fender currently sells the "FatFinger" and used to sell a "FatHead" plate:
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I have Groove Tubes "Fat Fingers" on my basses.
 
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When 5vers where becoming popular in the early 2000's (near me) I thought they had a flabby, woolly, soft kind of tone.
Didn't like the sound.
But now I can't really tell any diffrence.
Don't know if it's wood, pups or playing.
I think the playing.
Never played a 5ver-little 'ands.
More power to your elbow 5 stringers.....There's something you can do that I can't.
 
Very interesting that you find 5-stings clearer, I find it to be the opposite..

Well, it is really hard to tell as it would be different in between the instruments, but I find a 4 string bass clearer, tighter and punchier where the same open strings on a 5 string bass would be fatter, looser. I kind of like the way a 4 string sounds in let's say a funk/rock scenario when tightness is needed. I also like a 4 string bass better for slapping/popping.

On the other hand, I'd prefer a 5 string bass if I want to sound fat, big, let's say if I'm playing reggae, country, or even hip-hop, or if there's synthesizers involved etc.
 
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