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Do modeling amp heads exist?

Without arguing semantics about modeling vs profiling, I was running a Kemper and it did what you want, but not cheaply. I found myself just using a tone hammer most of the time, of which I have the preamp pedal, so I moved on. This doesn't answer your question, but the best way to spend money to improve bass tone is investment in a quality cabinet or two, imho.
 
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I really loved my HD400, that synth effect was something else, that’s the head that introduced me to effects in general.

I compared my LD combo with current-then Roland and Fender modeling options (I owned all three at one point -- a Bronco, a Bass Cube and a LowDown) and preferred the Line 6.

Roland was second, but frankly, I gave it up because I wasn't able to get a really clean sound of it, it always sounded like a slightly overdriven amp, no matter how low was the gain. from what I've heard about Katana, it's the same there, and it's not a bug, it's a feature. Katana emulates a tube amp, but is not able to emulate a really clean modern amp. while Line 6 did both.
 
Why would you want one? I see no point in them if you have a combo or amp/cab you like, you can get an external modeller. That way you have the flexibility to change components as your needs change, for example you need a larger rig for live work later, or if the modeller part fails, needs servicing or you want to use a different one later.

I get your point about flexibility and reliability but it would be cheaper and I have a small house so space for a stack plus pedals is difficult. Convenience is also a factor.
 
As an extremely mediocre guitar hobbyist, I have always played through combos and never really understood why someone would want to use a separate head and speakers. I loved my tube amp and was only interested in analog gear. When I started playing bass at the beginning of 2022 I started to pay more attention to tone and have been experimenting with both my amp and bass controls to get different sounds. I also started watching a ton of YT gear reviews and now I 'get it'!

I've been going down an amp head rabbit hole to learn more but I keep hearing about digital modeling combos like the Fender Rumble Studio 40/Stage 800, or the Boss Bass Katana 110/210, and was wondering if anyone makes a modeling amp head for bass? If not, I guess I'll need to start down the modeling pedal rabbit hole...

If you like the Ampeg sound, you can find Tech21 VT500 heads used for realy cheap. I grabbed a new one from the Tech21 Reverb store for $350 recently. It's a sansamp with a power amp.
 
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You missed the point. Why would you want the modeller integrated into the head/combo? External is more flexible for a variety of reasons. I use a modeller and have for a while.

My Line-6 heads, I use one setting 80% of the time (it's a great setting of a head that I wouldn't want to lug around or maintain), another occasionally, and another just a couple times. I don't need that many options.

Sometimes it just depends on what cab I'm using, what bass and what room/area.

They're powerful enough, so I can scale up or down with cabs as-needed.

They have a tuner, compressor and presets, as well.

And they're so damn cheap on the used market, if one fails, I'll just grab another. :D
 
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I've been going down an amp head rabbit hole to learn more but I keep hearing about digital modeling combos like the Fender Rumble Studio 40/Stage 800, or the Boss Bass Katana 110/210, and was wondering if anyone makes a modeling amp head for bass?
It isn't really necessary.

Just use an amp with an FX loop, and connect a modeler to the RETURN. That will bypass the preamp section of the amp altogether.
 
If you like the Ampeg sound, you can find Tech21 VT500 heads used for realy cheap. I grabbed a new one from the Tech21 Reverb store for $350 recently. It's a sansamp with a power amp.

To be honest I have no idea what I want for tone. I've been watching YT amp demos but that's one of the reasons I want a modeling amp - a neutral sounding amp that can reproduce popular/famous amp sounds. I currently play an Ibanez Talman with PJs and I'm getting a Sire V5R jazz bass in the next couple of months. I'm in a classic pop/rock cover Dad-band so I'm trying to get as many different sounds as I can. A modeling amp (or pedal) would allow me to set presets because my memory sucks (due to lots of fun in college, so I'm told).

I think another reason I want a modeler integrated into an amp head is that I only want bass effects. Most modeling pedals are for guitar and bass and I only want/need bass-specific modeling. Unless someone has a valid argument for the guitar/bass pedals...?
 
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hm, maybe I recalled exactly your picture of a LowDown head with some fancy modern cab (I believe, it was a Subway cab, but not really sure), if you posted it on the TB. frankly just after looking at this picture I was convinced to get a LowDown head as well, but all I have around me are combos (and I don't want them).

No fancy boteek cabs for me. :D

This is my present gear, the Line-6s I've dressed up with color-coded chickenhead knobs so I can see at-a-glace where they are (the round chrome knobs are about useless) and wooden faceplates. Those are 750s, one is a spare, and I have a 400 stored in a back.

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the Line-6s I've dressed up with color-coded chickenhead knobs (the round chrome knobs are about useless) and wooden faceplates. :)

looks great. but also it means that we probably have at least one another user of the LowDown heads on TalkBass in 2023 that hadn't yet chimed in.

I've twice sold a combo which sounded great, but was just heavy and not very powerful, one was a Warwick, another was a Line 6. all the others I have sold, I did it for the sound, I wasn't content with. something in my head still flickers when I see a LowDown.
 
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I'd grab an old(er) Line 6 Bass Pod Pro. (actually I did :smug:), although, you would need power amp/speakers to finish it off proper. (unless just for recording, she'll hook right up) lots of amp types/effect AND even cabs to choose from.

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Super cheap, and still pretty good.


Not sure if u were using it for live playing or recording.
Either way, great way to get a zillion different Bass Toanz for little $$.


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Hmm? It sounds like you are wanting not just the tone but also effects? That may be harder to find in a bass amp or will likely be quite $$$. Probably the Line 6 Bass Pod would be your best bet like Bassdirty suggested. That will give you a pretty wide selection of tones/effects in one unit. If you go this route, you'll probably want to find an amp/cab or combo that can be very flat sounding so you don't have a baked-in tone.
 
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Hmm? It sounds like you are wanting not just the tone but also effects? That may be harder to find in a bass amp or will likely be quite $$$. Probably the Line 6 Bass Pod would be your best bet like Bassdirty suggested. That will give you a pretty wide selection of tones/effects in one unit. If you go this route, you'll probably want to find an amp/cab or combo that can be very flat sounding so you don't have a baked-in tone.

Yeah, being able to add one or more digital effects would be nice to have. Any suggestions on a flat/neutral sounding head/cab combination?
 
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I may get crucified on this forum but based on my readings, I'd say Ampeg and Fender offerings may have a baked in tone or one that's hard to flatten. Most of the amps I've read otherwise can provide a flatter sound: GK, Mesa, Traynor (I'm Cdn, eh?), Markbass, Peavey, Hartke, Aguilar, TC Electronics. Similarly, their speaker offerings should faithfully reproduce their amplified sound.
 
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As an extremely mediocre guitar hobbyist, I have always played through combos and never really understood why someone would want to use a separate head and speakers. I loved my tube amp and was only interested in analog gear. When I started playing bass at the beginning of 2022 I started to pay more attention to tone and have been experimenting with both my amp and bass controls to get different sounds. I also started watching a ton of YT gear reviews and now I 'get it'!

I've been going down an amp head rabbit hole to learn more but I keep hearing about digital modeling combos like the Fender Rumble Studio 40/Stage 800, or the Boss Bass Katana 110/210, and was wondering if anyone makes a modeling amp head for bass? If not, I guess I'll need to start down the modeling pedal rabbit hole...

Being in a pop/rock Dad band myself, there aren’t really any good modelling heads out there other than the discontinued VT Bass head, which only attempted an SVT or B15 vibe. As someone else here said, it was basically a Sansamp with a power amp.

You’re looking for a modeling pedal, in which case you should read the Effects forum here on Talkbass for threads about Line 6, Neural, Zoom, etc. best bet is get a used loud clean amp and either put the pedal into the preamp or in the effects return, and invest in good speaker cabs, which can also be used.

However, what I’ve found is that they’re a PITA. YMMV. I prefer just setting up a useful pedal board with two good ODs (one set for heavy OD, one for light), a fuzz, a comp, and then the lesser used ones like Octave, Chorus, Phaser, Envelope Filter, etc. I only use the latter stuff for like one song each, so I can just set them and not twiddle knobs between songs, and everything is just click on and click off. For me - so much easier. Because I’m a bass player with a large pedal board, had a few hairy eyeballs from old school singers, guitar players and even a sound guy who was a self-styled “failed bass player” who all seemed to think bass players should just have a bass, a cable, and an amp, and any amp will do, but when you’re playing covers and you care about tone, you need variety.

Each of these pedals is a research rathole in and of itself. I have a wide and tall shelf full of pedals I like but don’t currently use and should probably sell.

Another route is the DI/preamp style of pedal, like the Origin Effects Bassrig, the VT Bass DI, Darkglass Ultras, or the Ampeg SGT-DI. With these, you can send a signal into your amp as well as one into the PA, usually with IR or a cabsim for the XLR channel. I have a VT Bass DI as the last pedal on my board, which also serves as one of my OD pedals, and it’s mostly always on.

I’m also using a Darkglass M500v2 head, which gives me an awesome clean tone, and two other OD voices, plus another DI with cabsims. So lots of options at my fingertips or toes as the case may be.

Other pedals I’m using currently on my board are a SGFX Beta, an EHX Green Russian fuzz, a DemonFX Alpha Omega, a Small Stone phaser, a Darkglass compressor, an OC-5, a strobostomp tuner, and a Boss wireless receiver.

All this through two Aguilar DB210s, and using DI from the Darkglass head. At rehearsals, we use IEMs so I only show up with my bass, my board, and my head, and could potentially leave the head at home.

We do mainly hard rock danceable songs from the 80s through to stuff from the past ten years, so I like a lot of dirt options.

Hope that helps! Good luck!
 
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However, what I’ve found is that they’re a PITA. YMMV. I prefer just setting up a useful pedal board with two good ODs (one set for heavy OD, one for light), a fuzz, a comp, and then the lesser used ones like Octave, Chorus, Phaser, Envelope Filter, etc. I only use the latter stuff for like one song each, so I can just set them and not twiddle knobs between songs, and everything is just click on and click off. For me - so much easier. Because I’m a bass player with a large pedal board, had a few hairy eyeballs from old school singers, guitar players and even a sound guy who was a self-styled “failed bass player” who all seemed to think bass players should just have a bass, a cable, and an amp, and any amp will do, but when you’re playing covers and you care about tone, you need variety.

Each of these pedals is a research rathole in and of itself...
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