Do You Stop On Time?

[Phat Ham]

Originally posted by Brad Johnson
That means less time on stage and more time to spend with the band members, who I only see on gigs. The stop time is usually the same and if we are asked to play past the contracted time...

more money

Whenever that band is in that situation, to a man or woman, nobody is the least bit bothered by it. We were going to be there anyway, it shortens the time we have to perform meaning we work LESS for the same or sometimes even more money. Wah!

Brad, sure you get the same money for less "work", but you make it sound like playing is something you don't want to do, like it's a job you don't like. Personally, if I had the choice between standing around waiting and playing, I'd rather be playing. Then there are all those bands that play for free just to get their music out there, so the whole "same money for less work" argument goes out the window. For bands like that playing time is their payment. Getting their set cut short is in effect the same as not getting paid as much as they were promised when they took the gig.

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Exactly - the ideal gig for me is maximum playing time and minimum set up and break-down time.

This is the kind of gig I like!

I don't really care about the money and am just in it for the fun of playing and getting experience as a player - I am not looking to go into P.R. or Organising Weddings, so am not concened about getting experience in this area or learning more about it!

 

[Brad Johnson]

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Well I would debate that - if you asked anybody on TalkBass about their view of what a gig consists of, I doubt they would "expect" to be sitting around for 5 hours in a kitchen as part of "the simple mechanics of a gig!!

I think most would understand the circumstances if they understood the logistics of that particular gig. If you're on a wedding gig and there is a specific load-in time and there is a long gap bewteen that time and when you actually play, what exactly is unexpected about that? For anyone who's done any weddings, they either know and understand that delays are hardly rare and as such you'd think they wouldn't be taken by surprise by them. That's "expected".

Then again some people don't "expect" anything, no matter how many times it happens

Simple question: why do you even take this type of gig... it obviously upsets you?

Debate away

Edit by tj: Easy on the potshots please.

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Well I explained my position in my last post - but obviously you just want to continue with personal attacks and don't want a serious debate - I'll just talk to those like Ham, who are interested in sensible conversation about this subject and don't just want to put people down at every opportunity.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Originally posted by Phat Ham


Brad, sure you get the same money for less "work", but you make it sound like playing is something you don't want to do, like it's a job you don't like. Personally, if I had the choice between standing around waiting and playing, I'd rather be playing. Then there are all those bands that play for free just to get their music out there, so the whole "same money for less work" argument goes out the window. For bands like that playing time is their payment. Getting their set cut short is in effect the same as not getting paid as much as they were promised when they took the gig.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I actually have fun on the gigs I do but that doesn't also mean I have some need to play as long as possible.

Look, if you feel-shortchanged for playing a shorter set, fine. I don't have a problem with that. I wasn't aware that anyone was playing for free in this thread. We could add a ton of new wrinkles to this and I'm pretty sure I'd stand by my position.

Bottom line, S___ happens. You can get all hot and bothered about it, which changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING or you could move on.

Really, what does whining accomplish?

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

What do personal attacks accomplish? You seem to enjoy these more than anything else !!

 

[Brad Johnson]

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Well I explained my position in my last post - but obviously you just want to continue with personal attacks and don't want a serious debate - I'll just talk to from now on, to those who are interested in sensible conversation about this subject and don't want to put people down at every opportunity.

Where the heck is the personal attack? You took a specific circumstance and dumbed it down in your statement. We weren't talking about all gigs.

The really funny thing is, you've complained about people in big houses looking down on you. That's a hoot... you do it here all the time. What's the difference?

I know... it's happening to you

 

[Brad Johnson]

Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
What do personal attacks accomplish? You seem to enjoy these more than anything else !!

Who did I attack?

You seem to enjoy these:

 

[thrash_jazz]

All right, guys, that's enough.