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Double Bass Does anyone here listen to electronic music?

Condolences.

I always have and also play and perform with it. Eurorsck can be an inexpensive habit. But I still have an inexpensive setup based on Behringrer clone of Roland System 100. I also have a Matriarch from Moog, a Korg MS20. But what has been productive in creation arethe duo of a Wave state and Modwave which I started to play when COVID started. Just adding the Opsix this year and hunting for a used unit. I like Buchla school of synthesis a lot.

BTW. All gear used except for a couple of the System 100 modules.

I have also found an ambient pedalboard mainly using Eventide H90 and Source Audio C4, UW, Nemesis for my Baritone sax and upright. Even without looping... You can create soundscapes where the natural acoustic tone blends in and bring out new melodic lines. Helps that I also play with a very textural and lyrical drummer and percussionist.

You should see what they are doing at the semi autonomous Korg Berlin. Inspiring even for Acoustic purists.

Cheers

 
Also one of the legends of electronic music in the USA (and can also conduct and compose regular orchestra's ( for those that need an acoustic schooled validation)) Morton Subotnick and his wife Joan La Barbara live in Santa Fe NM. Electronic music began with an expansive vision and deep thought. The design of the early circuits were borne out of understanding of the complex mathematics of nature's sound.
 
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I can't say I recognize myself recently. The guy who used to hate steel strings. The guy who used to listen to ONLY old recordings of past eras. The guy who lived in a van driving around the south playing with anyone he could find and collecting folk songs and fiddle tunes.

In the past few years I have slowly become a fan of electronic music. I can't even believe it myself. It was Thom Yorke that did it to me. I'm a huge radiohead fan and therefore a huge Thom Yorke fan. I loved his solo records and recently went to see him live here in Japan. There he was, the messiah, surrounded by sequencers and keyboards, in front of a huge gorgeous video screen, beats thumping, reverbs full out, delays, triggers...bliss.

Thom Yorke got me into Aphex Twin. Over a decade ago I read that he loved Aphex Twin and tried to listen to it. What? I thought. Thom likes this weird stuff?
I didn't get it. It didn't sound like the Radiohead I knew and loved. Then his Erasure album came out. He purportedly did it all himself. It was kind of underproduced to my ears but quirky. The songs were great and there were some funky grooves that I loved.

Years later I am pretty familiar now with Aphex Twins catalog and I absolutely love him. I am branching out and listening to other electronic staples, going back to the roots as is my way with any new music. Recently I realized it is having an interesting affect on my bass playing. It seems to have freed me up to look for new sounds that I would have probably dismissed even five years ago. It also changed the way I hear. All the synths and bleeps and boops gave my ears some new things to listen for. I'm surprised how much it is affecting me in a good way.

This Christmas was rough for me. I returned to NYC from Japan to find my father-out-law, the grandfather of my son to be, at 91, quickly failing and in the hospital. I immediately went into triage mode. He was an incredible man, extremely intellligent, socratic, and a huge jazz lover. He accepted me into his family in a way that my family had never done and fully understood my love of music. We were deep friends. When I told him I was divorcing his daughter and breaking up the family he did not flinch. He did not judge me for a second. I told him I would not let him down and I would continue to nurture a relationship with my ex and son and I planned to do this in the least impactful way I humanly could. He heard me. He believed in me. He wanted to leave the hospital, get off dialysis and die. He told me so. I got him out of there and home. On the second night home he fell at night and paralyzed himself from the neck down. My job every day was to get up and go to my outlaws house and tend to him 7am to 7pm. I fed him. Bathed him. Watched Sinatra on YouTube. Listened to all his favorite music. He lasted one month and died.

Every morning I would get my coffee and take the short walk to his bedside, listening to Aphex Twin. The more melancholic tracks were incredibly soothing, otherworldly, almost celestial. They strengthened me. After he died I did a crazy thing. I bought a OP-XY sequencer from Teenage Engineering. I had no idea how I was going to use it. I just always wanted one and decided now was the time to try some new approaches to playing music, to open my mind and ears to new possibilities and for once be able to have fun creating away from the bass. Here's to new adventures. Live each day to the fullest.View attachment 7119063View attachment 7119064

I'm sure you're aware that The Bad Plus cover version of Aphex Twin's "Flim" has become something of a modern jazz standard, but for those that hadn't made the connection, maybe you're already unwittingly enjoying electronic music - or this may be a gateway drug track :

Original



Cover version




I remember being really surprised back when Pablo Honey was released, and Thom Yorke was saying how much he loved Sheffield Techno, and anything released on Warp records, particularly LFO, and Autechre.

I was equally smitten by Warps output, but was surprised to hear that from anyone in Radiohead - the influence didn't really show itself until Kid-A was released.

It's been quite a while since I listened to Autechre (early stuff was him using a police scanner to listen in on people's mobile phone calls, set to haunting ambient meanderings, and the odd scary noise) but I had a feeling he ended up going in a more conventional i.e. listenable direction, more along the lines of some of Aphex Twin's more danceable tracks.

I absolutely loved LFO. The first album, Frequencies, is so beautifully sparse - minimalist house / techno - that it really allows the melodies to burrow into your brain, like nursery rhymes.


The second album, Advance, is a maximalist magnum opus - a totally different direction, but with some incredible sound design, and intricate compositions.
(this track is closest to the previous example, but could clearly be given a live jazz quartet reworking)


The third album, Sheath, is a solo effort, the duo having split, and for the most part is bordering on Drill & Bass, in a similar vein to the aggressive tracks on Aphex Twin's drukqs album, and some of Squarepusher's stuff.
Opening track Blown is a beauty



The Artificial Intelligence compilation albums Warp used to put out, we're always treasure troves.


It's great to hear how those old influences crept into Radiohead's music, and how they've kept up with, and ahead of the advanced in technology, and changes in tastes / trends etc within electronic music (and as much as I liked Thom's original version of The Eraser, the fully fledged band reworking by Atoms For Peace is breathtaking).


Interestingly, I've hung out with Steve Reich on a few occasions, and talked to him about his working methods, among other things, and he has built his own custom library of samples, which he uses in Reason (DAW) to demo compositions - during the composition of 2x5, it turned out there was a MIDI snafu, where the software failed to correctly transpose the guitar staff, and the guitar samples played an octave higher than intended.

He was surprised by the result, and really liked it, so had the guitarist reading the sheet music play through an octave up pedal.

In spite of his history of using technology such as tape machines, and samplers throughout his career, I always think of him as fundamentally a traditional / classical composer - I hadn't really considered that there is very definitely an electronic music aspect to his work.




Original Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer, Cliff Martinez has been putting out sublime electronic music, using real instruments, in the many film scores he's done for Steve Soderbergh.
The score for Traffic had some lovely ambient tracks, underpinned by Flea playing some kind of DIY sampled bass synth.
But the masterpiece, for my money, is the remake of Solaris


I also really liked the way Elliot Goldenthal used electronic music in the soundtrack for Alien3, by basically having jam sessions with the orchestra, which he sampled elements of, and mangled up ahead of the final scoring session. Then when it came time to record the full orchestra, he was playing the samples live with them - it's a really interesting score.


By the way, if it's the more melancholy Aphex Twin tracks that really speak to you, I'd definitely recommend checking out the Ghosts albums by Nine Inch Nails - whilst the specifics are very different, the mood / feel, I've all effect is quite similar (and as artists they overlap in many ways, beyond just various remixes).

The second volume of Ghosts was released as a free double album, during lockdown. You'll recognise tracks from all the volumes, as they've been used in a lot of shows etc - which was kind of the intent, as they were basically dipping their toe in the water prior to agreeing to score The Social Network (pretty much the entire underscore for The Bear is lifted from the Ghosts albums)



Volumes V - VI official free download available here :


Original volumes I - IV available to stream / download here :

 
Since this is a DB forum, I figured I would take this opportunity to encourage you to check out the band Red Snapper. They were most active in the 90’s and 00’s but are still putting out material. They make jazzy “electronic“ music with the great Ali Friend on double bass. I’d say he is one of the most underrated players of our time.

Red Snapper - Ultraviolet
 
"After he died I did a crazy thing. I bought a OP-XY sequencer from Teenage Engineering. I had no idea how I was going to use it. I just always wanted one and decided now was the time to try some new approaches to playing music, to open my mind and ears to new possibilities and for once be able to have fun creating away from the bass. Here's to new adventures. Live each day to the fullest."

LOL - yes, that's how getting involved in electronic music is: a journey into ... what? Well, you find out when you get there.

Electronic music is where I went when I was just worn out from the disappointments and compromises of working with other musicians ... resulting of course in *different* disappointments and compromises. But I did enjoy the novelty, and these are more than compensated by the 'migawd' wow-factor of all those sounds.

Of course, there are many kinds of electronic music. I too look for roots of whatever music captures me, and listening to Steve Reich and Bruce Haack and Wendy Carlos is akin to listening to Fletcher Henderson, Son House and the Carter Family.

Good bass-playing IMHO is very much about orchestration: what to play, how much to play it, when not to play. Which seems the same thing as "live life to the fullest" in its own way. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Since this is a DB forum, I figured I would take this opportunity to encourage you to check out the band Red Snapper. They were most active in the 90’s and 00’s but are still putting out material. They make jazzy “electronic“ music with the great Ali Friend on double bass. I’d say he is one of the most underrated players of our time.

Red Snapper - Ultraviolet


Ha!

I was literally just putting this album back in the rack.

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Also worth mentioning New Forms, by Roni Size & Reprazent
 
LOL - yes, that's how getting involved in electronic music is: a journey into ... what? Well, you find out when you get there.

Electronic music is where I went when I was just worn out from the disappointments and compromises of working with other musicians ... resulting of course in *different* disappointments and compromises. But I did enjoy the novelty, and these are more than compensated by the 'migawd' wow-factor of all those sounds.

Of course, there are many kinds of electronic music. I too look for roots of whatever music captures me, and listening to Steve Reich and Bruce Haack and Wendy Carlos is akin to listening to Fletcher Henderson, Son House and the Carter Family.

Good bass-playing IMHO is very much about orchestration: what to play, how much to play it, when not to play. Which seems the same thing as "live life to the fullest" in its own way. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah. All of this. These mirror my own thoughts. I want to really stop thinking of just bass, on the instrument and off. I want to become a better musician, more myself, more true to my own instincts and inspirations. I tend to pivot at certain points in my life, allow something new in, re-align my identity. Break through a wall. Electronic music seems to be helping.
 
Glad to see Roni Size and Reprazent posted already. Here’s a great live video with live DB.
@Jason Sypher I’ve read your posts for a long time and you’ve been a good source of info to me, though we’ve never spoken. I’ve followed similar interests as yours, from jazz, to old time/bluegrass (your bowing videos on YT have been an inspiration to me). Anyway, from an internet stranger, thanks for posting your knowledge and sharing your talents. I’m sorry to hear about the loss you are experiencing.
 
It’s time for the OP to go down the rabbit hole called Modular Synthesizers

The Modular Synth thing makes effects-pedal addicts and meth addicts look like amateurs.

I had a family member die with a basement full of modular synths, and we had to find someone on the internet to come over and catalog and sell off the 1000s of components cobbled together like some rube goldberg great wall of china.
 
It's been quite a while since I listened to Autechre (early stuff was him using a police scanner to listen in on people's mobile phone calls, set to haunting ambient meanderings, and the odd scary noise) but I had a feeling he ended up going in a more conventional i.e. listenable direction, more along the lines of some of Aphex Twin's more danceable tracks.

I think the opposite is true - Autechre in recent years have developed in really exciting and definitely less conventional ways, to me they're by far the most exciting these days of the classic Warp era scene. Here's a good example of where they've gone:
 
I'm sure you're aware that The Bad Plus cover version of Aphex Twin's "Flim" has become something of a modern jazz standard, but for those that hadn't made the connection, maybe you're already unwittingly enjoying electronic music - or this may be a gateway drug track :

Original



Cover version




I remember being really surprised back when Pablo Honey was released, and Thom Yorke was saying how much he loved Sheffield Techno, and anything released on Warp records, particularly LFO, and Autechre.

I was equally smitten by Warps output, but was surprised to hear that from anyone in Radiohead - the influence didn't really show itself until Kid-A was released.

It's been quite a while since I listened to Autechre (early stuff was him using a police scanner to listen in on people's mobile phone calls, set to haunting ambient meanderings, and the odd scary noise) but I had a feeling he ended up going in a more conventional i.e. listenable direction, more along the lines of some of Aphex Twin's more danceable tracks.

I absolutely loved LFO. The first album, Frequencies, is so beautifully sparse - minimalist house / techno - that it really allows the melodies to burrow into your brain, like nursery rhymes.


The second album, Advance, is a maximalist magnum opus - a totally different direction, but with some incredible sound design, and intricate compositions.
(this track is closest to the previous example, but could clearly be given a live jazz quartet reworking)


The third album, Sheath, is a solo effort, the duo having split, and for the most part is bordering on Drill & Bass, in a similar vein to the aggressive tracks on Aphex Twin's drukqs album, and some of Squarepusher's stuff.
Opening track Blown is a beauty



The Artificial Intelligence compilation albums Warp used to put out, we're always treasure troves.


It's great to hear how those old influences crept into Radiohead's music, and how they've kept up with, and ahead of the advanced in technology, and changes in tastes / trends etc within electronic music (and as much as I liked Thom's original version of The Eraser, the fully fledged band reworking by Atoms For Peace is breathtaking).


Interestingly, I've hung out with Steve Reich on a few occasions, and talked to him about his working methods, among other things, and he has built his own custom library of samples, which he uses in Reason (DAW) to demo compositions - during the composition of 2x5, it turned out there was a MIDI snafu, where the software failed to correctly transpose the guitar staff, and the guitar samples played an octave higher than intended.

He was surprised by the result, and really liked it, so had the guitarist reading the sheet music play through an octave up pedal.

In spite of his history of using technology such as tape machines, and samplers throughout his career, I always think of him as fundamentally a traditional / classical composer - I hadn't really considered that there is very definitely an electronic music aspect to his work.




Original Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer, Cliff Martinez has been putting out sublime electronic music, using real instruments, in the many film scores he's done for Steve Soderbergh.
The score for Traffic had some lovely ambient tracks, underpinned by Flea playing some kind of DIY sampled bass synth.
But the masterpiece, for my money, is the remake of Solaris


I also really liked the way Elliot Goldenthal used electronic music in the soundtrack for Alien3, by basically having jam sessions with the orchestra, which he sampled elements of, and mangled up ahead of the final scoring session. Then when it came time to record the full orchestra, he was playing the samples live with them - it's a really interesting score.


By the way, if it's the more melancholy Aphex Twin tracks that really speak to you, I'd definitely recommend checking out the Ghosts albums by Nine Inch Nails - whilst the specifics are very different, the mood / feel, I've all effect is quite similar (and as artists they overlap in many ways, beyond just various remixes).

The second volume of Ghosts was released as a free double album, during lockdown. You'll recognise tracks from all the volumes, as they've been used in a lot of shows etc - which was kind of the intent, as they were basically dipping their toe in the water prior to agreeing to score The Social Network (pretty much the entire underscore for The Bear is lifted from the Ghosts albums)



Volumes V - VI official free download available here :


Original volumes I - IV available to stream / download here :


Frequencies is one of my favourite electronic albums. :thumbsup:
 
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I think the opposite is true - Autechre in recent years have developed in really exciting and definitely less conventional ways, to me they're by far the most exciting these days of the classic Warp era scene. Here's a good example of where they've gone:


Yeah, sorry - total brainfart there : I was writing Autechre, but I was describing Scanner.

Autechre were very much of that era, of early 90's Warp records, but a bit more accessible - in a slightly similar vein to ISDN era Future Sound of London, and Texturology era Baumont Hannant.

Yeah, they definitely changed over the 20 years since I last listened to them, from early 90's squelchy-ambient-industrial-techno-house, to something approaching digital-acoustic-musique-concrète.
 
Thom Yorke has also been one of my entry points to electronic music, and I think he's taken a lot of what I found compelling about the electronic stuff and brought elements of it over to The Smile as well (which I think is fantastic).

I've also been really vibing on the work of good friend of mine, Matthew Fordham: Matthew Fordham

He's currently working on a modular synth that he can use for live performance, which is a really cool concept. I'm just not enough of a gear-head to dive into that world for my own music-making, but playing around with that sort of thing (that someone else created) seems like great fun.
 
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Great post, a lot of nostalgia for me, the Roni Size album was one of the reasons I went out and bought a db

Electronic music is what shook me out of my grunge rocker phase and primed my ear for jazz and classical and eventually to point of just simply appreciating what moves me.

I really like the synthesis of electronic music in bands like Bon Iver:


and Fred again


So much good music being made these days.
 
I really like the synthesis of electronic music in bands like Bon Iver:


Woa!

Last time I listened to Bon Iver, he was coping with a breakup by isolating himself in a cabin in the woods, with an acoustic guitar, a microphone, and a laptop, and the resulting album got him hired to produce every sensitive lofi acoustic artist that followed, for the next decade.

Him going electronic is a surprise, but not one that will illicit cries of "Judas!" from me.



From the point of view of electronic artists that approach writing with the education of classical music composers, there definitely needs to be mention of James Blake :




and Nils Frahm :

 
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