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Does this exist...DI with XLR abd 1/4 out with speaker sim on XLR only

#21
Crazy Otto said:
I recently asked Tech 21 about this exact issue, because I wanted the VTDI cab sim to go to the board but not to my cabinet. Even if the cab sim is off (the button isn't pressed) and you're not hearing it through your cabinet, it is automatically engaged for the xlr out only as soon as a mic cable is plugged into the xlr out. This is accurate -- if you listen through the board while playing and toggle the cab sim button on and off, you'll hear no difference. You can simultaneously use the regular 1/4" out (not the parellel out) to go to your cab and you'll get whatever you have dialed in on the pedal out of your cabinet without the cab sim, assuming the button for it isn't pressed. Naturally this isn't in the manual anywhere, which is why I got in touch with support.
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already explained to OP but apparently he can't dial in the VT to get a tone for the board that he likes, go figure but it is what it is.
 
#22
Hi Everyone,

Reading this thread with interest. I've got an Orange TB500 that I love but want a cab sim DI to go to FOH. The JDI looks like it's made for a tube amp--or can I just plug it into the effects send, use the cab sim button and go to FOH? I don't want a pedal, since I want it to come after my head's pre and EQ.
 
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The Le Notes pre has me drooling....will have to check out some pricing.
Interesting info in regards to the VT DI. It's got me interested at least in trying it again for the reasons mentioned, although the biggest issue I had with that pedal is the baked in tone that I can't seem to EQ away.
Lastly....I've never thought of doing this but can you actually run a DI from the effects loop so the board gets your amp EQ? Even so wouldn't that be the same as running your amps DI to the board?
Thread us going on a slight tangent but interesting to me all the same. Thank you for all the replies.
 
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jcburn said:
Lastly....I've never thought of doing this but can you actually run a DI from the effects loop so the board gets your amp EQ?
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sure, works just fine. FX send, preamp out, whatever, into a regular ol' DI will get your amp's "post" preamp tone into the PA.

would do that all the time when mixing bands where the bass amp's XLR out was misbehaving but we still wanted the amp's tone in the equation.

(fx sends on amps don't interrupt the sound, so you can just do that without worrying about the return or anything.)
 
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Crazy Otto said:
I recently asked Tech 21 about this exact issue, because I wanted the VTDI cab sim to go to the board but not to my cabinet. Even if the cab sim is off (the button isn't pressed) and you're not hearing it through your cabinet, it is automatically engaged for the xlr out only as soon as a mic cable is plugged into the xlr out.
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oh reeeaally? :wideyed:

i've been trying to justify getting one of these for a while now, tough because my regular BDDI has served me so well; this little detail might just have done the trick!
Crazy Otto said:
Naturally this isn't in the manual anywhere, which is why I got in touch with support.
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insane, because that's a pretty awesome feature. hell, the button should say '1/4" speaker sim defeat' right on the pedal!
 
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taylor16 said:
The VT bass DI's "baked in" tone can be minimized with the blend feature. One can mix in the blended signal as little as one wants and still get the can sim effect to the FOH via the XLR out.
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I haven't played a gig with this yet, but I like this pedal a lot better with the blend dialed back between 11 and 1 when going into a board for recording purposes...kinda silly that all the sample settings in the manual are with the blend dimed.
 
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...whereas my sansamp sound is absolutely with the blend dimed, that's where all the fat, juicy goodness is; i'm all about "amp tone" as opposed to the raw direct bass sound. (i keep the drive low for a clean amp tone, but an amp tone nonetheless.)
 
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I did some testing after work with my VTDI, and on mine the speaker sim does not automatically engage when the XLR cable is plugged in, there is a difference with the speaker sim button pushed when I listen from the board. I got this pedal used, so it could be that they've changed that in the new builds -- it could also be that Tech 21 didn't understand my question, who knows. I'll definitely follow up on this and let you know what I come up with.
 
#33
Crazy Otto said:
on mine the speaker sim does not automatically engage when the XLR cable is plugged in, there is a difference with the speaker sim button pushed when I listen from the board.
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hmm;

the confusion may be from the idea of the sim "engaging" or not when you plug in the XLR, like there's some kind of internal switching going on.

the question is just whether the sim stays always on the XLR out or not, it wouldn't matter if a mic cable was plugged into it.

if not, ask 'em if there's a mod to allow for that!
 
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Heard back from Tech 21, here's what their support guy said:

"It's been explained to me that due to the way the tube emulation (Drive and Character) portions of the circuit run parallel to, and are ultimately combined with the "non-SansAmp" (EQ and Level) portions by way of the Blend knob, we can't split up the speaker emulation on the outputs like we can on the Bass Driver Deluxe and VT Bass Deluxe (neither of which have the Blend control). If it's any consolation, this seems to be more important to guitar players using the Blonde Deluxe and Liverpool Deluxe, because their speaker choices seem to be the result of years of trial and error until they found what they like best. But bass speaker cabs, for the most part, are small full-range systems, and the speaker emulation doesn't "interfere" much with the tone (we usually say it can "enhance" the tone of your cab, but that's a matter of opinion)."

I also asked about a mod, but they said it's impossible because of the way the blend pot ties everything together. Bummer.
 

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