Dominique Di Piazza Thumb Index Cross string technique

[mcordobass]

Hi:
I’m getting old and I want to switch my 2 Finger technique into a Thumb Index Middle 3 fingers technique.
The Master DDP uses Thumb and index almost all the time and sometines he uses 3 fingers, even 4.
if I want to play a Cmaj7 Arpegio starting on A string 3rd fret, wich will be the best right hand fingering? T121, T1T1 or even T132? thanks.

 

[dreamadream99]

T123

 

[FatStringer52]

Just thought I'd post this for you in case you haven't seen it. It's a really good tutorial on the technique. The first video gets you started with the thumb and index finger, the second incorporates the middle finger and the third adds the ring finger. You can take this as far as you want. If you don't want to use your ring finger then just work thru the first two vids.

 

[mcordobass]

oh thanks, but this is mostly for repeat notes, i'll like to see more strin crossing,like chords

 

[PlatypusBassist]

I think DDP mainly uses thumb and middle rather than thumb and index.
The thing on his right hand, is that it's different to the Matt Garrison 4 finger technique. While MG goes T123 in a continuous motion, DDP completely depends on what's being played but follows the general order T321/T21/T2, with T2 being the main pluckers and which some might say is more natural, but completely changes depending on what you're playing
He has an eBook on his website for €9 if you want to learn some of the patterns. Link Removed
I've been working through it myself to work around hand pain and it seems to be working. The eBook doesn't tell you how how or when to use the patterns or anything on incorporating with the left hand, but for €9 you get 30 pages of purely right hand patterns with T2, T1, T21, T321

 

[Les Fret]

I think DDP mainly uses thumb and middle rather than thumb and index.
The thing on his right hand, is that it's different to the Matt Garrison 4 finger technique. While MG goes T123 in a continuous motion, DDP completely depends on what's being played but follows the general order T321/T21/T2, with T2 being the main pluckers and which some might say is more natural, but completely changes depending on what you're playing
He has an eBook on his website for €9 if you want to learn some of the patterns. Link Removed
I've been working through it myself to work around hand pain and it seems to be working. The eBook doesn't tell you how how or when to use the patterns or anything on incorporating with the left hand, but for €9 you get 30 pages of purely right hand patterns with T2, T1, T21, T321

Ok good info! Does the book only give right hand patterns? Is there a sample page?

 

[PlatypusBassist]

So I don't think the book has a sample page, but is purely right hand exercises.
I've attached a screenshot of one of the exercises 2/3rds way in but the book starts really simple e.g. just playing crotchets on each string alternating thumb and middle

 

[Les Fret]

So I don't think the book has a sample page, but is purely right hand exercises.
I've attached a screenshot of one of the exercises 2/3rds way in but the book starts really simple e.g. just playing crotchets on each string alternating thumb and middle

Ok thanks! I think I get the idea. Instead of buying the book I think it is better to find your own system in this right hand approach though. There are many possibilities.

 

[PlatypusBassist]

So what I've found is that you need to definitely need to find how to incorporate the right hand into what you play, yourself, however, the book gets you thinking in ways I never would have otherwise and gives you the patterns to explore. It also breaks you in gently.
TLDR you need some work on your own end to get flyid, but for only €9 the book gets your hand working in patterns that you're possibly never going to think of yourself, like the above

 

[Lagado]

TITI if I was using two fingers. TMIT or TIMT for three.

 

[takeout]

So I don't think the book has a sample page, but is purely right hand exercises.
I've attached a screenshot of one of the exercises 2/3rds way in but the book starts really simple e.g. just playing crotchets on each string alternating thumb and middle

Resurrecting a zombie thread - DDP's web store appears to be broken. Does anyone know another route to buying this book of exercises?

 

[srayb]

Something that helped me to develop this ability on bass is getting a classical guitar and learning to play it. I didn't consciously do that to be able to play this technique on bass, but it just happened. And, yeah later when I started listening to Dominique Di Piazza, I recognized what he was doing - he is an incredibly innovative bassist and deserves a lot more recognition for his musical contributions to the instrument!

 

[Les Fret]

Resurrecting a zombie thread - DDP's web store appears to be broken. Does anyone know another route to buying this book of exercises?

let me know if you find out. Curious about that book also.

 

[PlatypusBassist]

Ressurecting the ressurection as I've not logged in for too long.

I'm assuming his web store is now working
Link Removed

Worth noting though that in the last month DDP has released a much more comprehensive book through the bassist Marcelo Cordova. It's more expensive, but also gives you much more of an explanation, with examples
Dominique Di Piazza Publishes "The Ultimate Right Hand Technique Book"

 

[Les Fret]

Ressurecting the ressurection as I've not logged in for too long.

I'm assuming his web store is now working
Link Removed

Worth noting though that in the last month DDP has released a much more comprehensive book through the bassist Marcelo Cordova. It's more expensive, but also gives you much more of an explanation, with examples
Dominique Di Piazza Publishes "The Ultimate Right Hand Technique Book"

ok cool. 40 bucks for a digital copy is really too much though. For that money I would at least want to have a printed copy. Are there any example pages of the book to see somewhere?

 

[PlatypusBassist]

I agree with it being on the expensive side.

As a counterpoint though, I suppose the argument for not doing a physical version is that it opens up a whole can of worms with distribution for something that is effectively self published, rather than through a publisher.

Cost wise, I guess they justify it as 2 very proficient & professional bassists creating the book, but also in that it's THE Dominique Di Piazza's right hand technique, which has inspired many other techniques/players and not just teaching you two or three finger technique that yoyu can find lessons for everywhere. I don't think would be unfair to say that there aren't many right hand techniques that offer the same fluidity/speed/precision (at least at first glance).

To compensate you for my ramblings, here's a snippet from the 5 note groupings section

 

[Les Fret]

I agree with it being on the expensive side.

As a counterpoint though, I suppose the argument for not doing a physical version is that it opens up a whole can of worms with distribution for something that is effectively self published, rather than through a publisher.

Cost wise, I guess they justify it as 2 very proficient & professional bassists creating the book, but also in that it's THE Dominique Di Piazza's right hand technique, which has inspired many other techniques/players and not just teaching you two or three finger technique that yoyu can find lessons for everywhere. I don't think would be unfair to say that there aren't many right hand techniques that offer the same fluidity/speed/precision (at least at first glance).

To compensate you for my ramblings, here's a snippet from the 5 note groupings sectionView attachment 5302360

Thanks! Personally I am not interested in the (jazz) solo transcriptions but only in the right hand exercises. So I would like to see an index of how much from each is there before I buy it. Think they should give much more details and the index of the book so you know what you are buying, especially for that price.

I have studied classical guitar and use three and four fingers on bass myself, so I would like to know if this books adds anything to that.

Do you have the book yourself already?

 

[PlatypusBassist]

I bought the book and have recently started on it from the very beginning, although a caveat is that I'm already fairly familiar with the technique from the previously bought item.

Including covers and intros etc. It is 173 pages.
From a quick skim, 65 are purely right hand exercises with a few small examples of how you might apply the relevant exercise e.g. to a groove/scale/arpeggio (pic attached).

The remainder of the book, while it covers certain tunes/solos, is still focused on the right hand i.e. it's less about "here's the music to play your favourite DDP solo" but more about giving you context for the right hand.
My opinion (without having gotten that far yet), is that this is just as important as the exercises, on the basis that the exercises might now give me four ways to play triplets or octaves, but don't necessarily tell you when to use what.
Not that you have to strictly follow the tunes/solos and go "I can only use this technique here", it's always going to be beneficial to figure out how you can integrate things to your own playing, but it's nice to have guidance

 

[PlatypusBassist]

Off the back of my previous post, I've had a further flick through and to correct my previous statement, the music/solos sections do seem to be focused on the music rather than right hand.
That's great for me, but seems like you'd benefit from the first half of the book which is essentially the technique section

 

[Les Fret]

I bought the book and have recently started on it from the very beginning, although a caveat is that I'm already fairly familiar with the technique from the previously bought item.

Including covers and intros etc. It is 173 pages.
From a quick skim, 65 are purely right hand exercises with a few small examples of how you might apply the relevant exercise e.g. to a groove/scale/arpeggio (pic attached).

The remainder of the book, while it covers certain tunes/solos, is still focused on the right hand i.e. it's less about "here's the music to play your favourite DDP solo" but more about giving you context for the right hand.
My opinion (without having gotten that far yet), is that this is just as important as the exercises, on the basis that the exercises might now give me four ways to play triplets or octaves, but don't necessarily tell you when to use what.
Not that you have to strictly follow the tunes/solos and go "I can only use this technique here", it's always going to be beneficial to figure out how you can integrate things to your own playing, but it's nice to have guidanceView attachment 5303542

Thanks. That’s amazing and really helpful. It’s funny because the octave example is the exact thing and track that I use myself to practice with three or four fingers. In fact I use many of those same techniques in my Next Level Slap Bass books as well. I apply those to slapping but they can be played fingerstyle just as well.

Sounds good and it seems like a good and useful book. I might even ask them if I can do a review for a printed bass magazine that I am writing for.