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Double Bass Double Bass recording tomorrow - help!

Tripletmom

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Last minute help needed....thanks in advance.

My high school upright jazz bassist daughter (that's her in my profile picture) is recording her pre-screen college/conservatory audition videos tomorrow along with a pianist and a drummer. Last time she recorded, the sound wasn't the best so she is going to go get a recording device. She wants to the sound to be the best she can get (without going into a studio).

There are so many choices that my head is spinning...

1) The various Zoom options (cheapest is $79 - the red one) all the way up to the integrated video and audio one (would mean that she wouldn't have to overlay audio onto her Iphone video so that would be good - but it's $350 retail.)

2) The Blue Jeti.

What is her best option? And I assume that these have built in mics? Where should she place the mic? (by her bass or somewhere else?)
 
Maybe take the bass to a Guitar Center ask to set up in the acoustic room and try out a few digital recorders. ... Where you record is as important as with what you use. ... And placing the recorder right in front of the bass will help alot. ... Bass is hard to record so don't worry about the other instruments. ... Sure is a tight deadline, just saying.
 
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I have a Zoom recorder I think I paid $150? I can't remember but the Cheap Zoom recorder will do the trick. You just need to set it up for highest quality in the settings. Wav file recording or 320kpbs MP3 files etc..


It's not hard to line up the audio with a phone recording. She has a Mac or PC?

If PC, use Avidemux or Openshot Video editor to quickly put the audio in with the video..

Is she auditioning for Berklee College of Music or anything? They have a nice push to bring in Female musicians (especially female bass players) right now.
 
I did my college audition recordings on a Zoom H4N with an added on mic in my high school's band room, but no video though. If you can find a decent sounding room and hopefully someone to monitor the recording device you may use (my band director did that for me).

So the recording device and mic were placed at a fair distance honestly to prevent clipping. I did use an amp and did boost my volume a little bit while the drummer and guitarist who accompanied me played at a lower dynamic compared to me. At least with some other stuff I've done with the Zoom to record rehearsals and what not, I do know that if it isn't set up in a good spot it can clip.
 
Whateat - Regarding using a studio - she lives in LA so tons of them there. Here's the issue - she used a studio to record for her summer program video and it turned out great - but she really didn't like being separate from her pianist and drummer (they were in separate rooms). She likes being able to see her ensemble members.
 
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Bassface....love you name. Thanks for the advice. She recently got a used Mac so she now can sync the audio and the video.

You wrote: Is she auditioning for Berklee College of Music or anything? They have a nice push to bring in Female musicians (especially female bass players) right now.

I hope you are right about wanting female bass players. She went to the Berklee 5 week program this past summer and loved every minute of it - so yes, she is auditioning again for more scholarship amounts. Terri Lyn Carrington asked her to play in her female jazz ensemble which she loved. (she's never played with females jazz musicians before). What a great place! She is also auditioning at the New School, NEC, MSM, SFC and Cal Arts.
 
I would get her a Zoom H2 and let her experiment with how to use it. It would not only cover her upcoming audition video, but would also serve as a device she could record her practice and concerts with and actually hear how she sounds. I've been using a similar device by a different brand for the last 13 years, and it has been indispensible.
 
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@jazzcat_13 - thanks for the tip about clipping. I passed it along to her. I think that most of the colleges prefer videos, too...she can just overlay the audio on the video from her Iphone. She's such a perfectionist so I hope she doesn't record all day :-) Where did you end up going to college?
 
@Chris Fitzgerald...I would get her a Zoom H2 and let her experiment with how to use it.

She's decided to get the Zoom (it's on sale today for $80) - I heard that the Yeti Blue is also good and saves you from overlaying the audio on the video since you can plug it into your Mac - but she decided the video from her Macbook would not be very good - so she's going to shoot her video from her Iphone.

Good to know that she will use the Zoom again. Sounds like a neat device.
 
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@jazzcat_13 - thanks for the tip about clipping. I passed it along to her. I think that most of the colleges prefer videos, too...she can just overlay the audio on the video from her Iphone. She's such a perfectionist so I hope she doesn't record all day :) Where did you end up going to college?
Learned about the clipping after doing a last minute audition recording for my school's annual album. Strangely enough that piece wound up getting recorded at capitol records for the album!
I wasn't required to send in a video, but I'm sure using iMovie on her iPhone or Mac (if she has one) will totally work!
I just graduated from CalArts with my BFA in music/jazz bass and a minor in social studies. I just read that she's auditioning at CalArts which is awesome! She only has to send in a recording/video and doesn't have to do a live audition if she's applying for the jazz program. Has she written any music, because if she has she can totally send it in for her audition as it's more than encouraged! If you and her have any questions in particular about CalArts, please feel free to PM here. I'd be happy to answer any questions!
 
Bassface....love you name. Thanks for the advice. She recently got a used Mac so she now can sync the audio and the video.

You wrote: Is she auditioning for Berklee College of Music or anything? They have a nice push to bring in Female musicians (especially female bass players) right now.

I hope you are right about wanting female bass players. She went to the Berklee 5 week program this past summer and loved every minute of it - so yes, she is auditioning again for more scholarship amounts. Terri Lyn Carrington asked her to play in her female jazz ensemble which she loved. (she's never played with females jazz musicians before). What a great place! She is also auditioning at the New School, NEC, MSM, SFC and Cal Arts.

Tripletmom, I went to Berklee College of Music etc. etc..

So if she has a Mac and gets the Zoom, I believe there is a setting on the Zoom that lets you use the Zoom recorder as a mic into the Mac and whatever recording program she uses will recognize it. You probably just have to install some driver from the zoom website for the device she buys. I did this with PC and it worked. I had a Zoom H4n.

It sounded great. Just remember to tell her to set the settings to highest quality and then look through all the options in the menu on the zoom and look for the mode to connect to the computer.

Now for the real talk, If your daughter is auditioning for schools in New York, Boston and California, I have to be honest with you. Obviously you go to the one that gives her the most money, but for thinking ahead to the future, she will want to go to whatever school accepts her in California first, then New York, and lastly Boston.

The reason for this is because People who go to whatever school for music, all have the same end-goal and desire - which is to Play in California or New York. So remember that the goal is for her to meet as many people as possible, become the best musician she can, and be in the absolute best location for jobs/work and around the best musicians.

Therefore, she needs to 1st be in California which is great as it sounds like you already might be there. California seems to have the most auditions and Movie music and touring jobs and possibility to meet and play with the most famous people, then New York and of course Boston is great for meeting those who come to the College as they bring in major major artists and then let the students totally play with them for weeks etc.. So that is how your daughter can get an amazing experience in Boston. But have a serious talk with your daughter about her goals, because if it's to play with people or make her own music, or become famous with this and that, then she needs to be meeting people in California and then New York and then Boston. Catch my drift?

I mention this because While I went to Berklee College of Music and it was one of the best times of my life, the end goal was always wanting to Go to California or New York, so therefore, why not just go to school in California or New York and be there already..

Hope that makes sense and helps.

Good luck to your daughter. There are articles coming out about there are too many men in Jazz today and etc. I'll try to find it, one just came out a few days ago. There is a push for female musicians in the industry. Beyonce wanted an all female band, and the 2nd keyboardist she hired Went to Berklee College. And guess how she got the gig? Yeah, she had to fly out to California and audition there.

Just throwing that out there for you.

Good luck and feel free to PM me if you have more questions that maybe I can just let you know things that I noticed about Berklee College if she does decide to go there and perhaps some guidance if your daughter is open to it.

My mother pushed me and I didn't show her enough appreciation, but I can see that you going online and posting things like this for your daughter, you must be that helpful mom who is going beyond for her kids.. So I salute you and I'll absolutely offer any help for those types of parents.
 
I would try the Zoom H4N in multi channel/multi track mode. This allows you to connect two other microphones to the unit along with the built in mic, so you could effectively marry a mic to each of the 3 instruments. Alternatively, you can also just use the built in mics and stick it in the middle of the room, experimenting with placement of the unit to get good balance between the instruments. You then do video on an iPhone and sync the two sources in post.

Also, this video seems to explain some options. Apparently some mics can be connected to the iPhone directly.