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Drop1s EQ tutorial

By the way, in the other thread, you could have summarized this as "a method of using the frequency of particular notes, chromatically, to identify trouble frequencies in a room and be able to EQ them out". That took me all of 30 seconds to think up and write. So what was with all the cloak and dagger infomercial stuff before?
 
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By the way, in the other thread, you could have summarized this as "a method of using the frequency of particular notes, chromatically, to identify trouble frequencies in a room and be able to EQ them out". That took me all of 30 seconds to think up and write. So what was with all the cloak and dagger infomercial stuff before?
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, to you. I had to look at this from the stand point that people may know virtually nothing about this, not cater the to the people who know enough to argue.
 
Since the purpose is improving/flattening spectral response of bass (low-frequencies) in an acoustic environment, I'll add a rule of thumb. One can use subtractive EQ to lower overly loud notes, but one cannot boast low notes with EQ. That is why the suggestion of moving the cabinet. Look at it this way, if you put +1 of energy into an acoustical environment and it is generating a corresponding -1, when you bump up adding +2, the acoustic environment creates -2. You're still left with zero and you're wasting power.

Another thing to take into consideration is the length one holds their test note. Hold a note a 1/2 second or more and listen to its envelop. Let's say a room has a reinforcing resonance at 185Hz which you find hitting F#3. Well, the resonance acoustically is kind of like a capacitor or short term battery electrically, first it has to charge up, sucking the energy up before putting it back into the system. So the envelope of the note will be low loudness at first (attack) but swell over time. A resonant stage or room can turn a great sounding kick to mush if the kick's tuning is a resonant of the acoustic system around it.

The more one learns about sound and acoustics, the better one can be equipped to deal with what one encounters.
 
One can use subtractive EQ to lower overly loud notes, but one cannot boast low notes with EQ.

Where were you last night, at rehearsal? Lol! I put a Jazz spec'd neck on a Precision, wanting to try it out on my GK rig (first time)...

... belching and farting like a dragon with heartburn... really boomy, especially on the E string... pretty much left the head settings the same as they had been for my Jazz.

Lots of variables to chase, huh?
 
Where were you last night, at rehearsal? Lol! I put a Jazz spec'd neck on a Precision, wanting to try it out on my GK rig (first time)...

... belching and farting like a dragon with heartburn... really boomy, especially on the E string... pretty much left the head settings the same as they had been for my Jazz.

Lots of variables to chase, huh?

Do you have a HPF? I used to say that all a bassist "needs" is a tuner. I'll now add a HPF to that essential list. Of course, I have a ton of effects that I don't "need", but enjoy.
 
I subscribed from day one. Let's start over. What do you think about high bypass filters to get rid of frequencies too low for most equipment to handle? I often play with a low B/A and I have never used one.

@bassrique Over here, bud. (copied from the other thread). High-pass is a great tool. Well designed equipment will handle most whatever your bass and playing can throw at it within reason. Yes, if you're pushing your amp to power extremes, reducing low frequency level will free up more power. But consider other issues.

First, there is a psycho-acoustic consideration. In low frequencies, one's brain tends to interpolate the fundamental note based upon upper harmonics. Software plugin, Wave's BassMaxx utilizes and demonstrates phenomenon. This type of software is used in automotive playback systems where the physical space really cannot support such low-frequency playback. In other words, it fakes you out. Also, if one is playing bass against a kick drum, this does allow one to free up some room for the kick which is likely tuned to around your low E to low B string. That area of a band's LF sound will seem tighter as bass and kick are not competing.

A second consideration is how a boundary affects the bass response of a speaker cabinet. Since one does not always have control of where to place their cabinet, the HPF give one a tool to sort of counteract less ideal placement. This is an acoustical consideration. I know a bass player who likes to place his cabinet in the corner because, yes, it makes his sound bass-ier. But I find it is too bass-y and does not speak enough and his low frequency response as one moves around the room is much more uneven. Also, room modes, particularly negative or undesireable room modes, tend to be most prevalent and disruptive in lower frequencies. If a room is highly modal, one can think of it as a bell. The harder one hits a bell, the louder it rings.

A finally, there is conserving power or headroom in your system. If you pinch a string between your fingers and wiggle it back and forth, and your system has great linear response way down low, you can observe some corresponding displacement in your speaker. This low frequency does consume power, potentially lots of it.
 
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If you're going to go to the extent of eq-ing individual notes which stick out (or not), there's one thing you should know. The pickup position(s) on a bass gives you a comb filter response - depending on which pickup(s) you are using, certain notes will be emphasized by this, others will be diminished. OK, so what? The sticky part about this is that the EQ imparted by pickup position is a wavelength phenomenon - on the E string, certain notes and/or overtones) are emphasized. On the A string, same thing, but....different notes and/or overtones are emphasized on the A string. D string (another comb filter, different notes and overtones are emphasized), Same for the G string, and (if you have it) B or C strings. You can not eq this out - the pickups on our basses mix the output of all the strings, and since the comb filters are different, the eq that fixes the E string will make the evenness of the notes on the A string (and the D and ....) worse.

So....given all this, if you find a note that sticks out, before you apply EQ, you need to make sure it's not due to pickup position - you need to play that same note in all the places it appears on your fretboard. If they all stick out, the problem is in the rest of your rig somewhere (or the room) and EQ makes sense. If some stick out, and some don't, then EQ doesn't make sense - the problem is not fixable, it's just a characteristic of your bass and its pickup positions.
 
If any of you apply this in a large venue I'd like to know what you felt worked well and any shortcomings you may find.

I've only had real experience in smaller venues and rooms. I don't see it doing much for outdoors in the wide open. Any feedback that you guys can give that I can add to my own experiences would be greatly appreciated.
 
I always had the best luck in notching out problem frequencies with a fully-parametric EQ.

Set the bandwidth to narrow, boost the EQ channel, and sweep the frequency. Once you find the problem -- it should be quite apparent -- start by cutting that frequency by around 3-6 db with a narrow bandwidth.

I used to use a Rane PE51 when I had a rack; it was a killer piece of gear for this purpose. Boost, sweep, AHA, cut, done.
 
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:thumbsup: My personal strategy is to elevate the speaker and aim it at my ears. I want to hear the direct full range the speaker produces. But not everyone likes hear the full range of the bass. I get the impression that many only want to hear up to about 400-700hz or so.
Even so, you still need to hear the full range in order to know if you're producing the higher frequencies you perhaps don't want. I've taken to putting my cabinet on a tilt-back stand which at least gives me something closer to what the audience will hear, even though it's still behind me. I don't EQ out all the high end but I do EQ out whatever I need to in order to reduce clicks and other string noise.
 
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First off thank you for the post. That being said I'm having some confusion.
example: If I get a spike half way between open E and the 12th fret E (on a bass), should I make a cut at 60Hz or 120Hz and why one and not the other?


Here is the eq tutorial I promised.

Let me preface this by saying it is NOT a tone tutorial. There are thousands of tutorial videos online already. This tutorial is about sound reinforcement. This tutorial will give you a way to find and correct flaws in rooms using what you have. Every room is different. Thats why we cant share settings with each other. I will give you the tools to find and correct imbalances in your tone using 2 basic techniques. More importantly, I will share which method to use and when and how to instantly know the difference to be able to get to something approaching an acoustically balanced sound, so that things dont fall apart when you play somewhere unfamiliar.

Who this is for.


If you can tune a room by ear or work FOH for a living this will likely be pretty useless to you. Feel free to move on. If you find yourself unsure of how to approach your eq with purposeful intention, if you run a lot of effects and want those affects to behave logically from room to room or if you just want better, more consistent sound, read on, I will attempt to share my method for laying a solid foundation to build your tone on.

There is no magic here. A clear, powerful tone comes from balance. You can push the boundaries but a balanced sound will always be the most versatile.


To start you will need some information about your gear. Being honest, how many of you actually know all the specific center frequencies for every eq knob you have?

This works best with an eq that can be used specifically for correcting the room. Ideally that eq will be last in the chain. Weather it be a pedal or your amps eq. Having a dedicated eq strictly for room correction will allow your settings on all effects and instruments that come before the eq to not have to be adjusted as much when you change rooms or venues. This can be done with your amps eq but a good graphic is better. A parametric best.

Personally I have 3 sweep-able mid bands available at all times.

Whatever EQ you intend to use, you will need to know its center frequencies for every dial or fader. This is critical. If you do not know them you will be shooting in the dark. This method is going to use your gear to tell you exactly which frequencies need adjusting.
Now that all of that is out the way, Lets go.

First thing. There are 3 major types of flat when dealing with audio. Mechanically flat (all knobs at neutral) , Electrically flat (your gears signal in the electrical system)and acoustically flat (a flat response coming from your speakers).

Turn yourself up to the volume you intend to play with all eq set to mechanically flat (all eq knobs set to neutral, usually 12 oclock.) Because of the way human hearing works, we hear frequency different at different volume levels. If you want to know more about that, google fletcher munsin.

Once you are at playing volume, eq set to flat , sequentially start playing down your E string 0ne note after another.

Ignore any desire to adjust tone at this time. You are strictly listening for evenness .
Every note we play has a specific frequency as its fundamental. We are listening for notes that are stronger than others or notes losing power.

If while you are playing down the string you hit a single note that loses power in the bottom end, you are in a null or cancellation. So if at any time the sequence of notes sounds like this, Strong/weak/Strong you need to make an adjustment. You have 3 options. Move your cab, move yourself in relation to the cab or try to eq. Unless you have an adjustable Q eq you need to move the cab. Eqs made for adjusting tone just arent surgical enough to dig in to narrow frequency bands. Even if you have an adjustable q eq, you cannot eq up a true null. The sound is bouncing back on its self in a way that is causing it to cancel itself. Simply changing the angle the cab is facing can correct most of the issue.

Make your adjustment to the cab and continue playing down the E string until you arent getting any sudden jumps in power from note to note. Its ok if notes gradually get louder or softer, thats what eq is for. We just dont want a sudden dip between notes. If you are having trouble hearing the deviations, you can roll off your highs and boost your bass for that part.


Once you are happy with cab placement, its time to move on to eq. If you have reached a point where you can run all the way down your e string and the notes stay balanced, you have found your sweet spot. Any eq you do from there is purely personal choice. If some notes are still stronger than others, you can apply some eq.


Here is how to find the frequencies you need to eq. I like to start with peaks.
Every note we play has a fundamental frequency. E for example is about 82hz. 1 octave up on the E (the 12th fret) is about 164hz. The 24th fret is about 328hz. It doubles in frequency for every octave.

Here is a chart that gives the frequency per note.
View attachment 3450400 Open E is E2 in this chart. E at the 12 fret is E3 in the chart.

So doing some quick math we know if we have a volume spike at A,thats 110 hz, or one of its harmonics which are just multiples. 110, 220, 330, etc. I dont look up the exact number. No one wants to do that. I know that e is 82 hz and its first octave is 164. so if i have a volume spike at the 5 or 6 th fret i know the frequency im looking for is about right in the middle of those 2, or about 120 hz in the bass region or 240 hz if its too much low mid.

The way to find the specific frequency to be cut is to play the notes sequentially. If we have aligned our cab properly, the note will gradually get louder. we are looking for the loudest note. That notes corresponding frequency is the frequency we should be attenuating. After doing this a couple times, it becomes instinctive and you will no longer need any math. You will quickly learn which note equals what frequency by ear.Once you have removed the peaks, play down the fretboard again, this time listening for dips. If any dip is found, find the weakest note and adjust its corresponding frequency up until the weak spot fills in. Once satisfied with your low end and low mids and you have achieved a good note to note consistency, you can adjust your high mids and highs to taste. I suggest starting by balancing them to the lows and cutting what you dont like from there.

I never do this past the A string. As bass players, the amount of upper mids and highs we use are just too personal and often change heavily. You can absolutely apply this to the other strings if you chose. I only use it to make sure I dont have vanishing notes and so that i have a solid low end. From here, knowing you have a well balanced low end, you can proceed to shaping your tone how you see fit on any eq up stream. if you get in the habit of doing this, your tone will be much more consistent from room to room and you can rest knowing the power region in your bass is solid. I do recommend checking after your personal tone adjustments that you havent damaged your low end by playing down the E string again. If you have some bad peaks or dips, you may want to adjust your tone.
Though that was a very long winded post, in practice it takes about 2 minutes. Hopefully this all makes sense and you guys can understand the reasoning behind it.
Im not good at explaining through text. I will edit it for simplification when I have more time.
 
First off thank you for the post. That being said I'm having some confusion.
example: If I get a spike half way between open E and the 12th fret E (on a bass), should I make a cut at 60Hz or 120Hz and why one and not the other?
Youd need to make an educated guess. 60 hz would be too much low bass, 120 would be too much high bass. You feel 60 more than you hear it, use that as a guide. If you hit the note and the whole room starts shaking compared to surrounding notes , you need to adjust the lower frequncy. 120 is approaching low mid territory.
 
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