bassmonkeee said:
*PUNCH*
Can we have a spot next year?
*KICK*
Please?
*HEADBUTT*
"We'll be better!"
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Dropped from Y-Rock 2005
- Thread starter Nickthebassist
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*PUNCH*
Can we have a spot next year?
*KICK*
Please?
*HEADBUTT*
"We'll be better!"
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I couldn't actually bring myself to punching Sam. He isn't that kind of person. He isn't arrogant. I was just angry. I hope he'll organise some more gigs for us and make it up to us......afterall he did offer to promote us like crazy, so we'll definetly take him up on the offer. We're gonna record over Summer and really get our act together. I think there's a bloody-minded determination in the band now to prove people wrong.Brendan said:
A word of advice Nick, which I'm reasonably certain you will choose not to accept:
Don't put all your eggs in one basket and pin your hopes on this Sam character. I strongly suspect that, if he feels your band isn't up to this Y Festival situation, he is hardly likely to put his reputation on the line by promoting you elsewhere. Is he?
Why (pardon the pun) not just forget about him, put it down to experience and get on with things without a thought for him? Remember: Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold.
Always assuming that you don't split up of course.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket and pin your hopes on this Sam character. I strongly suspect that, if he feels your band isn't up to this Y Festival situation, he is hardly likely to put his reputation on the line by promoting you elsewhere. Is he?
Why (pardon the pun) not just forget about him, put it down to experience and get on with things without a thought for him? Remember: Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold.
Always assuming that you don't split up of course.
Well, there is another guy who wants to promote us who has invited us back to gig at one of his gig nights again. So we could go with him and let him do the promotion?
No no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ignore these wannabees and PROMOTE YOURSELVES. Don't "let him (or anyone else) do the promotion". Use you local press, raise your profile and gig and gig and gig. When you've done that, gig some more.
Got it?
Good.
Promoter = Failed musician/ligger/wannabee who can't get into a decent band.
All in my experience and with the exception of Harvey Goldsmith of course.
Ignore these wannabees and PROMOTE YOURSELVES. Don't "let him (or anyone else) do the promotion". Use you local press, raise your profile and gig and gig and gig. When you've done that, gig some more.
Got it?
Good.
Promoter = Failed musician/ligger/wannabee who can't get into a decent band.
All in my experience and with the exception of Harvey Goldsmith of course.
im with the promote yourselves kinda thing. I spent long nights promoting the band, withy nothing to show.
i got fed up, said screw this, and went down toa couple pubs and said I needed a gig. they said.. aight. A demo/presspack is definatly essential when it comes to self promotion.
Eventually, your hard work pays off and maybe a good promoter will pick the band up and do some work for you.
ATM, you're giving me the idea that you're almost expecting the promoters to do all the work... which is ALWAYS a bad idea...
i got fed up, said screw this, and went down toa couple pubs and said I needed a gig. they said.. aight. A demo/presspack is definatly essential when it comes to self promotion.
Eventually, your hard work pays off and maybe a good promoter will pick the band up and do some work for you.
ATM, you're giving me the idea that you're almost expecting the promoters to do all the work... which is ALWAYS a bad idea...
Totally agree EXCEPT that you should NEVER under any circumstances let a proprietor/promoter/landlord think you "need" a gig. 
If they ever think they are doing you a favour by "allowing you to play" in their venue, you will have established a relationship from which you (the band) will never benefit IMHO.
If they ever think they are doing you a favour by "allowing you to play" in their venue, you will have established a relationship from which you (the band) will never benefit IMHO.
Nick, is it too hard to think to yourself, "ok maybe that guy was kinda right - we aren't that tight, so probably didn't deserve to be on that bill" As far as I can tell, no one has dissed your band - they probably thought they were helping you with some advice, god forbid.
All that reactionary kind of nonsense about beating people up??? Mate, it's not that far a jump from talking tough to being convicted of assault. Big Papa won't let you play your Warwick in jail, Nick. Your other thread about your anger has some good advice in there. Seems that although on that thread you are asking for peoples advice, you don't seem to be taking any.
You had two gigs, before this! Probably good gigs too, but you are not a name band yet, and as already mentioned - beware the "promoter". Keep at it, at being a better band, don't just punch out the drummer when things don't go your way.
All that reactionary kind of nonsense about beating people up??? Mate, it's not that far a jump from talking tough to being convicted of assault. Big Papa won't let you play your Warwick in jail, Nick. Your other thread about your anger has some good advice in there. Seems that although on that thread you are asking for peoples advice, you don't seem to be taking any.
You had two gigs, before this! Probably good gigs too, but you are not a name band yet, and as already mentioned - beware the "promoter". Keep at it, at being a better band, don't just punch out the drummer when things don't go your way.
ouch.cheezewiz said:
nick. you may not wanna take this advice, but whatever, here it goes.
promoters fro the most part, dont care about music, they care about money. so, go diy(do it yourself)
cheezewiz said:
Wow, yep i forgot that incident too!!!
Nick - man, u seem to be good at doing it solo, so i would go down that road....
I just read this whole thread. Here are my thoughts:
- It's your 2nd show with the band. Pay your dues. I remember being 17 playing in a punkrock band thinking we were the ****. 11 years later reality has far set in - we sucked - BUT IT WAS FUN.
- It sounds like playing to you is all about "making it". It sounds like you're doing an awful lot of strong arming to try and "be big" when it should be about enjoying what you do and having fun. If you want a "job" where you want to "make it" - become a doctor or a lawyer.
- Not saying you're band is bad (as I haven't heard it) but Practice more. It won't hurt, it'll help.
- You said earlier you were the "social" one in the band. Later you say you'll beat anyone who talked **** on you guys. * Get over it! You're in band, other bands will talk sh--t. It's the way it goes. Don't be part of it.
- Play smaller bar shows first... an as--load of them.
- The promoter's letter to you was not terrible. I mean the guy even offered you a spot for next year. Focus on that, and you should write back and THANK HIM.
- I'd rather play with a drummer who's willing to improve than a decent one who is a "cock". There's only room for one cock in the band...seems like you've got it covered. Keep the one you have, or leave. Find some other guys who are on your wavelength.
Good luck.
[and don't take the cock remark personally. I just thought it was funny and is not meant to be taken personally. I am a fan of wit and sarcasm.]
- It's your 2nd show with the band. Pay your dues. I remember being 17 playing in a punkrock band thinking we were the ****. 11 years later reality has far set in - we sucked - BUT IT WAS FUN.
- It sounds like playing to you is all about "making it". It sounds like you're doing an awful lot of strong arming to try and "be big" when it should be about enjoying what you do and having fun. If you want a "job" where you want to "make it" - become a doctor or a lawyer.
- Not saying you're band is bad (as I haven't heard it) but Practice more. It won't hurt, it'll help.
- You said earlier you were the "social" one in the band. Later you say you'll beat anyone who talked **** on you guys. * Get over it! You're in band, other bands will talk sh--t. It's the way it goes. Don't be part of it.
- Play smaller bar shows first... an as--load of them.
- The promoter's letter to you was not terrible. I mean the guy even offered you a spot for next year. Focus on that, and you should write back and THANK HIM.
- I'd rather play with a drummer who's willing to improve than a decent one who is a "cock". There's only room for one cock in the band...seems like you've got it covered. Keep the one you have, or leave. Find some other guys who are on your wavelength.
Good luck.
[and don't take the cock remark personally. I just thought it was funny and is not meant to be taken personally. I am a fan of wit and sarcasm.]
It seems to me that the only people that you can prove wrong are ones who said "You'll never be tight and professional" or that said "You ARE tight and professional". Most people have said "If you practice and work at it, you can become tight and professional"; you'd be proving them RIGHT - right, Nick?Nickthebassist said:
Your goal and your resolve should stem from wanting to prove those people RIGHT.
Joe
Joe P said:
+1. Absolutely.
Jasonc:
Can't believe you would actually give the "I'll put you in next year's show" any credibility.
Maybe I'm just too old and too cynical for my own good eh?
(I sincerely doubt it though.
)
Well his voice is getting better all the time. The one way to become a good singer is to SING. He's only ever gone out of tune once at a gig, and that was due to a faulty monitor so he couldn't hear himself. As for the promoter, why shouldn't we get him to give us gigs? It's his company. I know one guy who is the gig booker at a local venue(also lead vocalist in the metal band I might be joining) and he's offered to get us gigs whenever want them. However, until we get a demo recorded that we can send to venues, promoters seem our only choice.cheezewiz said:
In regards to him telling them he'll put them on the 2006 show -- maybe he meant it, maybe he didn't (I gravitate towards him just saying it to be overly apologetic). In my experience they should atleast say "thanks" and be courtious for offering it (even if not sincere). He'll atleast know they're an easy band to work with. If they write back and say "oh, yeah, right dipsh--t. We wanted to play this year. F you.", I would venture to say they wont ever be working with the promoter again. Atleast if they're nice to him, he may be nice back. If not - big deal. No skin off their back. And if they do improve to his liking - maybe he'll book em.
Just sayin.
Ah... whatever, nevermind my rational posts.
Just blame it all on your drummer.
Just sayin.
Ah... whatever, nevermind my rational posts.
Just blame it all on your drummer.
