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Drum Software

Adam,

At your clinic at Bass Specialties in Bensalem, PA, on Sunday (which was great, by the way... lots of fun and very helpful - thanks!) you were improvising alongside a pre-programmed drum track on your Mac. Was that a drum machine software program? If so, which one?

Also, when practicing, do you prefer using a drumbeat over a metronome?

Thanks!
Dan
 
I'm not Adam, but last year I got obsessed with drum software. I tried a demo of one of those programs and it was so much fun to play along with! I was suddenly jamming and practicing for hours, and in an engaged and enthusiastic way.

That first demo was Addictive Drums. The demo is not time limited -- it's just a very basic (but good sounding) 5 piece kit, that you can tweak in a million ways to make it sound how you want it too. The demo beats were limited too, but it was enough to have lots of fun with.

I then researched all the other brands/apps I could afford: EZDRummer, Kitcore (from Drumcore) and probably a couple more. This year the new budget kid on the block is BFD Eco.

I started by buying Kitcore, which is a very basic interface, but with a ton of pre-configured kits. It's not as customizable as the others, and some of the sounds don't appeal to me. But for the price, it offered a ton of variety for little money. And it had some latin and jazz grooves included, which I wanted very much. I had fun with it for a while.

Then I heard EZDrummer's Jazz expansion -- wow! I'm a jazzer from way back, and this was the most convincing automated jazz drumming I'd ever heard, so I snapped this up.
I've recently bought their Latin expansion too, and it's just as terrific! Very realistic -- both the grooves and the sounds.

I considered saving my pennies and getting Addictive Drums, but I was also pining for fxpansion's flagship BFD ($$$), which did everything Addictive Drums did, but also gave you an incredible, completely programmable interface. Design your own beats, import your own sounds -- it's the "ne plus ultra" of drum software.

Eventually I saw BFD on sale for $300 and bit the bullet. Love the program. Love some of the sounds. However, I have to say, I was surprised at how many of the drum sounds I don't like. The recording quality is beyond reproach. But a lot of them sound like they were chosen and tuned by technicians, not real drummers.
Anyway, I mostly stick to a couple of kits I've put together, and enjoy the hell out of the programming and mixing flexibility.

I also bit for Abby Road 70s drums -- nice convincing classic drums. But not so convenient for practicing, cuz there're no grooves with it.

Today when I practice I go back and forth between BFD and EZDrummer (for jazz and latin), and I'm a very happy bass player!

If I was independently wealthy though, I would probably pick up Ken Scott's Epik Drums -- the most luscious and realistic collection of classic (old style) drum kits and grooves I've ever heard!
 
@PoorTom

If you want drum grooves that sound like a real drummer (who is a good player) played them, I'd save a few more dollars and buy EZ Drummer and some of the MIDI Expansion Packs that Toontrack sells. I have found them to be very useful for practice and they make great scratch tracks when you are recording. Also, since they are MIDI, you can move the kick (for instance) around to change it to fit what you want it to be.

I'm sure the BFD product is good and offers something similar, but I haven't used it. I'd like to check their stuff out at some point though.
 
@pbasswil, if you were on a tight budget say $50 max, what would you recommend if I want jazz, RnB, and Funk grooves to play with?

Jeez, that budget is a bit tight. I'm sure there are a few programs out there at that price, but I don't know about them.
There are lots of cheap little beat box programs for dance music; but for actual acoustic drum sounds, the decent ones are a bit more expensive.

Er, actually, Kitcore from sonomawireworks.com comes in a basic version at $50. But it comes with limited sounds and grooves; I got the Deluxe bundle with tons of both, for $100 (it's now $125).
But you might be happy with that $50 version for a while.

You know what I would suggest: download Addictive Drums demo. It doesn't have a limited trial period -- you can use it for free forever. You only get one basic drum kit, and limited grooves. But you can mix and eq the sounds to your heart's content. And you can drag the grooves into your DAW (sequencer/recording program), and edit them the way you want them. (If you don't have a DAW, download Reaper at reaper.fm)
 
For anyone's interest, here's a little rundown of some currently available acoustic drum programs:

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Note: They put Superior Drummer in slot #1, but be aware that it (and several others in that article) doesn't have a built-in groove engine -- you have to sequence your own grooves. I think it comes bundled with their groove jukebox/organizer/player program EZPlayer Pro; but I've never gotten that program to work on my recent Mac without annoying timing/sync problems. :^(
 
pbasswil and stretchcat - thanks so much for the help!

This is very useful information. The demo beats on Addictive Drums might be just the thing for me now, but it sounds like there are some good options available should I want to get more complex. I like the idea of there being grooves to choose from, since my main goal is to have something a bit more interesting to practice to than a metronome...
 
hi dan!

sorry to be late to the party, but i just got back to nashville. looks like you got some excellent feedback already on this. btw, thanks for coming out to the clinic! i'm thrilled you enjoyed it!

the program i was using for those loops was garageband on my macbook. it's an apple-only program, though, in case you weren't aware. i also use ez drummer for drum stuff, as well.
 
@pbasswil, do you think you could send me a link or a pm with instructions on how to setup Addictive Drums inside Reaper so that I can get a basic track going to play over? I tried messing with Reaper a bit and couldn't figure it out.

Thanks.

Oh boy, afraid I can't, actually. :^( I use Logic on Mac. I only suggested Reaper cuz it gets great reviews, it's available for any computer/OS, it's very reasonably priced, and can be used for free until you decide it's the one for you. I've never actually tried it.

Best that you find the Reaper user forum, sign up, and get help there. Also check out tutorials on Youtube, or google for them. I forgot to warn you that there's a significant learning curve to any DAW!

I don't have time to check right now; but does Addictive Drums also work as a stand-alone app (not as a plugin for a DAW?)
 
If you want easy to use, FREE, drum software....check out Hydrogen.

http://www.hydrogen-music.org/

It runs on LINUX or Mac OSX. There is a Windows installer too, but I've never tried it.

I've worked up some funky beats on it. I'm sure there are better options out there, but for free, this one rocks.

That does look like a really useful tool! It's not really going to fool anyone that it's a real drummer, but if you use excellent samples and tweak in some human timing variance, it could probably come close.
I don't need it, but I'll probably check it out for sheer fun.