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DVD Decrypter - Gone, Forever!

elros said:
Aren't you a musician?

Yep.
And until musicians get their due, and absurd coporations don't run the show I am only buying local band's CDs when I know my momey is going to them. Metallica doesn't need my 16 bucks, and George Lucas sure as hell doesn't need my 7.50.
This absurd arguement that I have only heard on this forum is that musicians can't possibly advocate the free exchange of music. Which is silly. Free exchange of data is a good thing.
 
tekhna said:
Yep.
And until musicians get their due, and absurd coporations don't run the show I am only buying local band's CDs when I know my momey is going to them. Metallica doesn't need my 16 bucks, and George Lucas sure as hell doesn't need my 7.50.
This absurd arguement that I have only heard on this forum is that musicians can't possibly advocate the free exchange of music. Which is silly. Free exchange of data is a good thing.

Metallica and Lucas don't NEED your money any more than you NEED their art. If the product is not worth your hard-earned cash, don't buy it, but there is no way that makes stealing these things OK. :rollno:

So if it's all cool that the work of musicians gets shared without giving them anything in exchange, how about you come on over and paint the inside of my house? Nicely, with each room a different color. I mean, sure you have to buy your own brushes (instruments) and get yourself to my house (the gig) and decide how my house should be painted (writing music) but I think that art should be free! I mean, you're a musician who likes sharing, right? Hook me up!

:hiding:
 
Only said:
Metallica and Lucas don't NEED your money any more than you NEED their art. If the product is not worth your hard-earned cash, don't buy it, but there is no way that makes stealing these things OK. :rollno:
I don't disagree with your statement but you seem to be implying that tekhna has advocated stealing music and films. Of course, you may be picking up a debate from another thread but all that has been explicitly stated is the preference for supporting local artists rather than spending that money on the international players (such as Lucas and Metallica).

There's nothing wrong with forgoing music and films that you think are too expensive or choosing to put your money (consumer power) towards people with whom you have a more grass roots connection. In fact, there's a wealth of stuff out there that you'd probably never get a chance to appreciate if you only listened to things that other people have heard of!

Wulf
 
Only said:
So if it's all cool that the work of musicians gets shared without giving them anything in exchange, how about you come on over and paint the inside of my house? Nicely, with each room a different color. I mean, sure you have to buy your own brushes (instruments) and get yourself to my house (the gig) and decide how my house should be painted (writing music) but I think that art should be free! I mean, you're a musician who likes sharing, right? Hook me up!
What you are proposing is not the same as a movie or an album, but instead is similar to a musician going out and playing a gig. Which tekhna implied that he is in favor of monetarily supporting.
 
msquared said:
What you are proposing is not the same as a movie or an album, but instead is similar to a musician going out and playing a gig. Which tekhna implied that he is in favor of monetarily supporting.

Free exchange of data strikes a chord with me too, but there is no doubt in my mind that the system is broken either way and we need a new model.
 
Blisshead said:
Free exchange of data strikes a chord with me too, but there is no doubt in my mind that the system is broken either way and we need a new model.

Free exchange of data is right.
Going into only's house and stealing his physical property is very different than stealing an intangiable (and it is intangible for most musicians) set of 1s and 0s. Of course you could argue that someones credit card info at amazon is just data, but I am not going to argue that one right now. I need to sleep.
That said, I do agree that something needs to change.
 
tekhna said:
Free exchange of data is right.
Going into only's house and stealing his physical property is very different than stealing an intangiable (and it is intangible for most musicians) set of 1s and 0s. Of course you could argue that someones credit card info at amazon is just data, but I am not going to argue that one right now. I need to sleep.
That said, I do agree that something needs to change.

Theft of intellectual property is theft of intellectual property. However you want to justify it to pretend you aren't a thief is your deal. But, make no mistake--taking "intangible" 1s and 0s is theft. Period. End of story.
 
tekhna said:
Yep.
And until musicians get their due, and absurd coporations don't run the show I am only buying local band's CDs when I know my momey is going to them. Metallica doesn't need my 16 bucks, and George Lucas sure as hell doesn't need my 7.50.

can I get an Amen?


totally +1. it's those startup bands that put their songs out for practically nothing that deserve the money.

Also if i respect the band and like their music enough, (meaning it's not overdone) i'll pay top dollar for it.
Bands/ composers on that list:
-- Tool
-- Audioslave
-- Coheed and Cambria
-- John Williams
-- Some others but i havn't bought a cd in a while, so i can't put them down
-- Any startup or local band who breaks the mold, and doesn't just say they break the mold.
 
tekhna said:
Yep.
And until musicians get their due, and absurd coporations don't run the show I am only buying local band's CDs when I know my momey is going to them. Metallica doesn't need my 16 bucks, and George Lucas sure as hell doesn't need my 7.50.
This absurd arguement that I have only heard on this forum is that musicians can't possibly advocate the free exchange of music. Which is silly. Free exchange of data is a good thing.

And if Metallica and George Lucas don't get your 16$, or 7.50, respectively, I guess you don't need thier music, or movies. Deal with it. It's a free market economy, and they are able to sell their product for whatever the hell they want to.

Am I the only one who DOESN'T have a problem throwing down 10, 15, even 20 bucks on a cd? It's just 20 bucks, man. Grow up and stop trying to justify your theft.