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DVD Decrypter - Gone, Forever!

#21
tekhna said:
Bah.
Wait for anti-piracy fanatics to descend. DVD Decrypter is/was wonderful. It is just not worth paying for music and movies anymore.
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Yep I agree.

never the less, he did do something wrong. didnt make it open source...
if he had, there would be no stopping it, and the company couldnt really do anything to him as every programmer in the world could have had his finger in it, not just him... its safe to assume though that this company will access the source code and make some new and improved copy protections based on that guy's intelectual property. (against the law), but hey, thats ok... THEY have money.
 
#22
bassmonkeee said:
Theft of intellectual property is theft of intellectual property. However you want to justify it to pretend you aren't a thief is your deal. But, make no mistake--taking "intangible" 1s and 0s is theft. Period. End of story.
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I just don't see how this isn't obvious to any and every person here.

Oh, wait, I'm expecting intelligence, courtesy, and respect for the PROPERTY of others...far too much, apparantly.

:scowl:

It's been said over and over: If you don't want to pay for it (WHATEVER IT IS!), you don't NEED it.
 
#23
Gard said:
I just don't see how this isn't obvious to any and every person here.

Oh, wait, I'm expecting intelligence, courtesy, and respect for the PROPERTY of others...far too much, apparantly.

:scowl:

It's been said over and over: If you don't want to pay for it (WHATEVER IT IS!), you don't NEED it.
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I guess these little kids haven't had any thing taken from them....once they live on their own and have an opportunity to deal with "real life", they may open some eyes....
 
#27
NJL said:
I guess these little kids haven't had any thing taken from them....once they live on their own and have an opportunity to deal with "real life", they may open some eyes....
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This is probably mostly true, but I don't think that tells the whole story.

One thing that nearly every one of these music pirating debates overlooks is the simple economics of the whole situation. Why pay for it when it's free? Its simple supply and demand. There is an abundance of free music, therefore, the demand for CD's goes down. The companies must evolve with the changing business climate surrounding music.

I think when my generation grows up eyes will indeed be opened. By the same token, I honestly don't think that things will go back to the way it was before digital media. File sharing is here to stay. When they open their eyes to the real world, the entreprenuers will see the potential of this new medium.

Question- Is downloading music against the law in the US? I know it isn't here but am not sure about south of the border.

Moral of the story: Pirating music/movies hurts the artists, but there's no stopping it now. In our free economy the companies that adapt to meet demand will succeed and those that don't will fail. The problem is that people make economics personal. It's simply human nature to feel sympathy towards to losing parties in the business world.
 
#30
Good stuff PunkerTrav. I honestly think that in 15-20 years there will be no more record companies and the movie industry/Hollywood's downfall should be right behind that. Some people are just living in the past, to quote Tull. The old system has been compromised - it's time to move on and embrace the technology.

PunkerTrav said:
This is probably mostly true, but I don't think that tells the whole story.

One thing that nearly every one of these music pirating debates overlooks is the simple economics of the whole situation. Why pay for it when it's free? Its simple supply and demand. There is an abundance of free music, therefore, the demand for CD's goes down. The companies must evolve with the changing business climate surrounding music.

I think when my generation grows up eyes will indeed be opened. By the same token, I honestly don't think that things will go back to the way it was before digital media. File sharing is here to stay. When they open their eyes to the real world, the entreprenuers will see the potential of this new medium.

Question- Is downloading music against the law in the US? I know it isn't here but am not sure about south of the border.

Moral of the story: Pirating music/movies hurts the artists, but there's no stopping it now. In our free economy the companies that adapt to meet demand will succeed and those that don't will fail. The problem is that people make economics personal. It's simply human nature to feel sympathy towards to losing parties in the business world.
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#33
And who is going to pay to record/mix/master/thousands of other things, and, most of all, PROMOTE bands and their new music, when they stand to make no money in the process?

That's what I thought.
 
#36
Muzique Fann said:
Umm, they'll do it themselves....like they already are.
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Nearly every major label release is paid for by the artists have to borrow money from the labels. They have enough problems paying it back without other people deciding that they shouldn't have to pay for their music.
 
#37
Dan1099 said:
Who'll do it themselves? Bands?

How do you expect bands to come up with anywhere NEAR the money required to create a major-studio-quality cd? Especially when they cant sell their discs any more.
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Have you never head of 1 man with a computer making a cd?
Or maybe even a...whole band...with 2 computers making a cd?
Bands have been promoting and selling their own cd's for years.
Do you think the first guys that made sounds/music ever thought about being compensated for it? Probably not. I obviously can't change anybody's mind - I'm out.
 
#38
Muzique Fann said:
Do you think the first guys that made sounds/music ever thought about being compensated for it? Probably not. I obviously can't change anybody's mind - I'm out.
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What does what those guys thought have anything to do with what we choose to do with our music? The first paintings were not made for personal financial gain-that didn't happen for a very long time. Do you think that you can take a print of their work without having to pay for it because of it?
 
#39
Bryan R. Tyler said:
Nearly every major label release is paid for by the artists have to borrow money from the labels. They have enough problems paying it back without other people deciding that they shouldn't have to pay for their music.
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very, very well done! :)

this is the way it is with the majority of royalty artist/label agreements (distrib agreements are a little diff)...also think of the labels as being a bank with the highest interest rates on earth...

getting to the side musicians....

any musician with half a brain with use a standard AFM contract (usually a B-4 or a B-9) to get paid hourly, SPF, Pension and H & W.

so when these little children steal, side musicians are losing out on:

Pension
Special Payments (similar to royalties, but for side-musicians)
and possibly "new use" payments

also the community is losing out on MPF (aka MPTF) funding for free concerts in the community and work for professional musicians..

so yes kids, keep on stealing from working class musicians cause you decided to use your allowance (you know, money mommy and daddy give you for taking out the trash and cleaning your own room) for a set of spinning rims for your ford festiva :D
 
#40
And, simply put, the "making music on your computer" thing still doesn't cut it. Popular albums sell in the millions. Without a record label to borrow money from to produce these albums, and you will need to borrow A LOT of money to have a million copies made, artists will have to take bank loans and whatnot. And then when people steal their music, they'll be stealing EVEN MORE of the artist's hard-earned money, as they could have gotten a bigger percentage if they were self-produced.

Although what would be more likely in this scenario is that artists would simply not be able to produce very many copies of an album, because let's face it, banks don't want to lend $500,000 to a musician. And what would happen if there was a low supply for an easily copyable item of high demand like this? MORE STEALING!

The notion that it's okay to take illegal mp3s of music because the system is outdated and it didn't cost the artists anything is pure BS. Most jobs can be done by computers nowadays. If you go into work and do a full week's worth of hours, how would you feel if your boss said, "Sorry, we're not going to pay you. The system enables us to do your job without you- you were just silly enough to do all the work and expect to be paid for it. But it's okay- it didn't cost you anything."
 

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