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Eden D410XLT vs. Avatar B410NEO

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Pandafist, Jun 22, 2008.

  1. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    I recently posted about purchasing a new cab and I've narrowed it to these now.
    We go on tour soon, and I have to downsize to fit into our new tour vehicle. This decision is kinda a big one cause I'll, most likely, be stuck with it for awhile.
    I found a used Eden D410XLT on craigslist for $500 and I've got first dibs, but someone recommended the Avatar B410NEO over the Eden, so I looked them up. It's really tempting to go with the Avatar. I could get a new one, delivered, CHEAPER, and i could pick the color. That's rad.
    And they're lighter, higher wattage, you can pick the Ohm, ETC.
    The specs and reviews on the Avatar look good too, from what I can tell (which probably isn't much).

    Is the Avatar a no brainer, or is the Eden really better, ie worth the $1,300 (or whatever) they charge when new?
    A vs. E
    you tell me
  2. maurilio

    maurilio Guest

    May 25, 2003
    I had an Avatar 410neo. Very well done and ok weight... but I didn't like the sound at all. Good in the lows but totally undefined in the mids.

    I have now a 410XLT, way better cab (IMO), better sound no contest...beside the weight!

    But that's just me....

  3. Eminor3rd

    Eminor3rd BLAAAAARRGGHH!! Supporting Member

    Feb 10, 2008
    Avatars are great FOR THE PRICE, but in my opinion, don't even come CLOSE to Eden. That's an excellent price on a 410XLT, don't pass it up.
  4. justBrian


    Apr 19, 2002
    Surprise, AZ

    The Avatar may be lighter, but the Eden will be much more efficient -it's a 106dB spl. I don't know what the Avatar is, but the Eden will sound much louder. I'd get the Eden, especially if you're going to keep it for a while. :cool:
  5. I've not played an Avatar but the Eden 410xlt is a monster. Power handling is one thing but is SPL is more significant. 3db extra in the SPL rating equates to double the volume simply put and the tone of a 410xlt is awesome.
  6. shoot-r


    May 26, 2007
    I've got an old Avatar 115H cabinet that I use at rehearsals that sounds pretty good, it's well constructed, nice cab....but....no where near my Eden cabs sound, projection, and warm fullness.
  7. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    I agree with the concensus here. If you were asking Eden vs. Aguilar/SWR/Berg/etc., then it's a question of subjective taste. Eden vs. Avatar is about objective quality, and IMO, while the Avatar is a solid cab, it's like comparing a Ferarri to a Chevy Cavalier. $500 is a very fair price, especially if the Eden's in good shape. If the weight isn't a big deal to you, the Eden will decimate.
  8. My RTA measurements show the Avatar has a flatter range: more highs, more lows. The Eden has a hot mid-range, hence the Eden honk and cut-through. It rolls off the highs and lows more than the Avatar.

    More than likely, the Eden is a beater and you will be spending a few hundred $$ more for replacement drivers. The Avatar will be new. Between the two, I would take the Avatar. YMMV.
  9. quickervicar

    quickervicar Supporting Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    Lancaster, PA
    Eden quote a 50Hz-14kHz @ +/- 2db. That's pretty stinkin' flat. I know they're known for a low-mid punch, but I would never call it a "honk."

    I've had good dealings with Avatar in the past. They're a good company and build decent stuff at a fantastic price. But please note what cab I use.
  10. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    I'm sorry, but I tested the Eden and it just didn't do it for me. It WAS in rough shape, as predicted. The speakers didn't sound blown, and he said they weren't. I used my SVT CL head, so you'd think it'd sound good.
    It didn't. ? .
    I tried my friends Avatar and it sounded great!
    So I'm going with the Avatar despite the consensus here. I appreciate all the input, but the ears are always the best guide.
  11. quickervicar

    quickervicar Supporting Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    Lancaster, PA
    You're wrong wrong wrong!!!! :)
  12. Blues Bass 2

    Blues Bass 2 Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2001
    Davenport Iowa
    Not a bad decision.I like the mids of the Eden better but everybody hears things differently and if the Avatar does it for you it will be great.I've had a pair of Eden 210XLTs and an Avatar B410 neo and just one of the 210 Edens weighs the same as the Avatar 410.Your back will thank you at the end of the gig.The Avatars do have a very good low end and get loud without breaking up.Good choice.

    Also bgavin has tested both the Eden 410XLT and the Avatar B410 and his results are much more accurate than what the manufactures put out.He knows what he is talking about.
  13. Pandafist


    May 6, 2008
    Portland, OR
    Something to keep in mind-
    My band is kind of untraditional. We don't have a guitar player. Just bass, keyboards and drums. The keys occupy most off the mids, and I take the lows as well as some the highs for leads. If the Eden truely cuts lows and highs in favor of mids, then I'm positive I made the right decision here.
    AND... It will also be paired with other cabs depending on the show, so it's really only part of the equation. thanks everyone!
  14. buckminster

    buckminster Inactive

    Apr 29, 2006
    Sacramento, CA
    Mesa/Boogie Bass 400+ > Eden D410XLT...That, sir, is an amazing combo...Heard it once and soiled myself...
  15. Eminor3rd

    Eminor3rd BLAAAAARRGGHH!! Supporting Member

    Feb 10, 2008
    To each his own, I guess.

    The Eden's midrange presence make it a very articulate cabinet. I can see liking the Avatar more for classic "SVT" tones. Glad you found what you like!
  16. Rick Auricchio

    Rick Auricchio Registered Bass Offender Supporting Member

    No, not double the volume.

    The 3dB difference is what you would obtain with double the power. To double the perceived volume it takes a whopping ten times the power.

    Still, I'm right with you regarding the extra 3dB. Without that advantage, you'd have to carry around twice as many watts (assuming the cab can handle it.)
  17. The Eden D410XLT was and still is in many players opinion, the state of the art in a 4x10 cab. The Avatar was and is in the opinion of many players a very good 4x10 cab for the money. So you are comparing (STATE OF THE ART) with (GOOD FOR THE MONEY). jmho
  18. There is a difference between what they claim, and how it actually performs.
  19. Basszillatron


    Jan 28, 2007
    What a great thread. Happened upon it by accident. I feel like I can shed some light on the subject because I own and have gigged with both cabinets extensively. Let me just say that I love my Eden gear and have used Eden professionally for probably 15 years. I currently have two sets of speakers that I use for different gigs. One set is a D410XLT and a D115T, both in road cases. This set lives in a truck and is taken out to larger gigs. The other is a single Avatar 410NEO in a Tuki cover that I use around town on smaller gigs. Both are powered by an Eden Navigator pre running into a Crown XTi2000 power amp in a Gator 4 space rack case. Not the smallest amp setup but it really is surprisingly light and portable.

    I originally bought the Avatar because I didn't always have access to my Edens and since they were in road cases they were really impossible to schlep around in my car. Let me just say that I bought the D115 because I felt the D410XLT was missing something i the low end. I can tell you that the Avatar 410 puts out more low end than the two Eden cabs combined. It's almost too much. I do feel there is a bit of a hole in the mid range of the Avatar but I also feel that Eden 4x10 can have too much mid presence at times.

    Are either of them perfect as far as sound goes. No. Not to my ears but they both sound really great. The Eden stack sounds killer but the weight is something of a deal breaker and for a fraction of the weight the Avatar sound damn near as good as the two Edens combined. When you factor in the price it's pretty amazing.

    So, here it is. I'm selling my Edens! I just have to much gear and the road cases just aren't practical any more. Going to take the money and buy two Avatar 8ohm 2x10s to go with my 4ohm 4x10 and I'll have a totally modular rig that I can tailor to any gig. with the power amp in stereo I'll be running 800 watts to the 4x10 and 800 watts to they two 2x10s operating at 4ohms combined. I can tell you right now it's going to sound huge!

    I guess I should note that I've blown up two speakers in the Avatar. Pretty sure it was my fault because I was running the amp in mono for a while. 2000 watts! I probably wasn't being careful. Never blown a speak in the Eden 4x10 but have blown up the 1x15. I've had mixed luck with support at Eden but I did manage to get them to replace a faulty Navigator head after the warranty had expired. Took forever! Support from Avatar is absolutely first rate. Never had better. Super fast and friendly and when you call you get the owner himself. Good stuff. Amazing value no matter how you look at it.
  20. +1
    I have had a Eden XLT 4x10 and two Avatar 2x10s and I much prefered the Avatar for standalone fullness.
    The Eden sounds great and has great tone but terrible articulation in the lower notes in my opinion so its hard to justify keeping a 100lb cab that neededs a 15 or 2x12 to help it out and not to mention the cost.
    The Avatar isnt perfect and lacks that smoothness of the Eden but it does the job very well and cuts through the mix better than the Eden.