I've got an SVT3 Pr4o + 4x10hlf that I use with my heavy alternative band. Thinking about an Eden WT-400 to replace the 3Pro. Will the Eden keep up with 2 loud guitars and drums? I'm speaking of the voicing of the amp and not just the wattage.
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Eden for heavy rock?
- Thread starter birminghambass
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Definitely.....if your SVT3Pro worked, the eden will have no problem! Make sure you keep the enhance dialed very low or I would ever recommend off.
I wouldn't go with a wt400 or a wt550 to push a 410 by itself in a rock setting. I'd get a wt800b and bridge it; that combo would be LOUD. The wt550 will work in many settings if you have two cabs since it goes down to 2 ohms. But a I don't think it has enough power to open up a 410 like you would need.
Good points, Eublet. My thoughts are that if his SVT3Pro is handling it now, just about any Eden head beyond the WTX260 is likely going to be as loud or louder into the same cab ... I like the sound of the SVT3Pro, but it seems to be rather "optimistically rated", power-wise ... 
Liam
Liam
I've never had volume issues with the 3Pro. I turn on the graphic EQ, max out the level, turn the master volume to 3/4= plenty loud! The 3Pro is a bit muddy, I'm thinking the WT400 will be a bit punchier with more clarity. I really don't want to get a WT800 due to cost and the HLF is only rated at 500watts. I've heard that bad things happen to Ampeg cabs that are constantly pushed past their limits.
I still just don't know. I wouldn't put either head in a rock setting personally, so I can't recommend it. Another thing to keep in mind is whether or not you want tube overdrive. If you're used to having that on an Ampeg head, then the Eden might not give you what you want since it's not possible. My recommendation is still the wt800b in the Eden lineup for rock venues, even if your 410 is only rated for 500 watts.
Of all the Ampeg heads that are available I would have too say the SVT3pro is the best sounding, if your setup is muddy sounding it more then likely is how you are EQ'ing your cabs with the SVT3. Just changing to a different amp isn't going to solve your issues, it may help, but I would take another look at the setup you are running now.
dirk didnt use a wt400 with a 4x10, he used a rack full of navigators paired with a rack full of eden power amps sitting ontop of stacks and stacks of speakers.
and im also assuming traa uses a tad more then a wt400 ontop of a 4x10
I used to play with 2 loud guitarists (1 especially loud with his 2x12 cab) using my WT400 and 410XLT cab. I had to turn myself down
Great rig
I sold it and got a GBE750 with an EPI UL-310 instead for more flexibilty tone-wise and less weight
Great rigI sold it and got a GBE750 with an EPI UL-310 instead for more flexibilty tone-wise and less weight
I play in a modern hard rock band, kind of Incubus style. Nothing too heavy...no screaming. The drummer hits hard and the guitarist has a mesa dual rec and 4x12. We don't play huge venues. Just bars, clubs, and backyards.
I have an Eden wt400-4ohm with a 4x10xlt. I don't know the kind of gigs you are doing, but it seems like it's a really loud band. I would recommend you go for something with more wattage than the 400. Suffice to say, any Eden will definitely give you lots and lots of clarity. It is almost like a studio sound or something. The voicing of Edens typically have a low-mid bump which is purposely there to help you cut through and punch better. The bass you play into the head will play a big role in how much you cut through. i.e., I have a Warwick that cuts like a knife! But a cheap bass will still sound cheap.
My recommendation to you would be one of two options:
1) get the wt400, try it out and see if it's loud enough. If not, get a 1000w power amp to slave into. This way you'll get the sound of the wt400 with all the power to spare. Eden freaks will all tell you the wt400 is "the warmest sounding eden." That's what I mean by the sound of the wt400.
2) go straight for an eden with more power, such as the 550 or 800.
**I got the rig in April in time to do one gig, then everyone left college for home. I was boosting the bass a lot b/c I was stupid and eqing it wrong. This caused the gain light and volume light to clip very early on. I was only able to turn the volume up to 12-1230 oclock before it clipped. I was cutting through fine though. Very loud. I imagine that keeping the settings flatter (which is how Edens sound best) would allow me to turn up more.
let me know if you have more questions.
I have an Eden wt400-4ohm with a 4x10xlt. I don't know the kind of gigs you are doing, but it seems like it's a really loud band. I would recommend you go for something with more wattage than the 400. Suffice to say, any Eden will definitely give you lots and lots of clarity. It is almost like a studio sound or something. The voicing of Edens typically have a low-mid bump which is purposely there to help you cut through and punch better. The bass you play into the head will play a big role in how much you cut through. i.e., I have a Warwick that cuts like a knife! But a cheap bass will still sound cheap.
My recommendation to you would be one of two options:
1) get the wt400, try it out and see if it's loud enough. If not, get a 1000w power amp to slave into. This way you'll get the sound of the wt400 with all the power to spare. Eden freaks will all tell you the wt400 is "the warmest sounding eden." That's what I mean by the sound of the wt400.
2) go straight for an eden with more power, such as the 550 or 800.
**I got the rig in April in time to do one gig, then everyone left college for home. I was boosting the bass a lot b/c I was stupid and eqing it wrong. This caused the gain light and volume light to clip very early on. I was only able to turn the volume up to 12-1230 oclock before it clipped. I was cutting through fine though. Very loud. I imagine that keeping the settings flatter (which is how Edens sound best) would allow me to turn up more.
let me know if you have more questions.
This is a WT400/D210XST/D212XLT rig. It can stand up to a couple of guitars.... 
A WT800B or C would give you quite a bit more power than this rig (more than double since it can be bridged mono @ 2 ohms), but the WT400 is quite capable of small/medium gigs, say up to 500 seat venues, easy. And the 400 has Eden's best tone. Oh, and as said above^, when I need more power than this, I will just add a power amp and use the 400 for practice and as a pre for large gigs.
A WT800B or C would give you quite a bit more power than this rig (more than double since it can be bridged mono @ 2 ohms), but the WT400 is quite capable of small/medium gigs, say up to 500 seat venues, easy. And the 400 has Eden's best tone. Oh, and as said above^, when I need more power than this, I will just add a power amp and use the 400 for practice and as a pre for large gigs.Well, the big plus of this rig over a wt400/410 setup is the height. A 410 is just blowing past your knees, and you have to get way out in front to begin hearing it, or get it up off the floor which sometimes makes it sound thin, ESPECIALLY if you don't have the headroom in your amp to compensate.This is a WT400/D210XST/D212XLT rig. It can stand up to a couple of guitars....
I prefer to stand closer to my rig, usually around 5-6 feet, and turn down a bit. That way, I can easily achieve a balance in what I hear by just taking a few steps forward or backward. For me to accomplish this, the rig has to be taller than a 410, otherwise I can't hear jack if I move closer to it.
