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Edirol R-09 Recorder: initial impressions

OK, I've been waiting for this baby for a long time. & yesterday I finally got one.

a little background:
I have quite a bit of studio recording experience, so I know what I want to hear. As far as prtable recorders go, I've had a sony minidisk Hi-MD recorder and also an M-audio Microtrack.

... on to the edirol:

From the pictures of it, it looked to be sleek metal. when I opened it up, it was a lot more plasticky than I had thought. OK, a bit of a letdown, but lets keep looking.

Immediately, I could see that it was built for useability. there are switches on the back for turning on a mic additional gain stage, for setting it to mono/stereo, auto gain compensation, etc. all the thigns you don't want to have to dig through menus for. In fact, it seems as though most functions can be performed without going into the menu. very nice.

whoops - am I stupid? I assumed this thing would have 1/4" inputs. no dice. major dissapointment #2. IT has a 1/8" line & a 1/8" mic input. the mic input has that mini mic power (I think 9v?...it doesn't say anywhere in the specs), but from what I can tell no 48v phantom power. MASSIVE dissapointment #3. From the pre-reviews I read, they all mentioned 48v... I just don't think it's so.

The display is small, but outstanding. it shows you pretty much everything you need to know, and although it is small, it's very readable.

OK, on to recording. it takes SD cards, which is really nice. with a 2 Gig card you can record a ton of audio (it will record in 24 or 16 bit wav, and all sorts of mp3 options). when you put it in record mode, it aumoatically goes into record-pause (unlike that stupid m-audio thing!). the record button has a bright red light all around it that screams "I'm about to record!!". the level setting buttons are on the outside of the unit & it seems to have a really large gain range. nice.

I tried recording with the built-in mics, some high quality clip-on condensers, and a sony T-mic.

the sony t-mic performed as expected - low volume, massive rolloff at 100Hz, etc etc. The clip ons sounded great (these are my go-to mics for field portable recording most of the time)... but the big surprise was how good the built-in mics sounded. they sounded great! not as much low-end definition as the clip-ons but great for recording practices, doing some field recordings, etc. this is a revelation - a portable recorder that needs no external mic!. Of course good condenser mics would sound even better....but of course no 48v phantom power.

line outs would be nice (only headphones out) which can be a pain, and can end up hurting your ears if you forget to turn the gain way down.....somewhat dissapointed #4.

navigation & playing & everything was good... when you get a lot of recordings in there it would be nice to have a bigger display, but it's functional.

USB connection is easy to use, plus you can use it as a portable file device.

as far as power goes, it uses standard AA batteries. GREAT! that means if my batteries go , I can just slap a couple more in there.... i can bring extras, etc etc. it will take rechargeables as well (but it won't charge them itself). It will run off the included power adapter as well. I'm sick of taking field recorders out & having the internal battery run out of juice & have to cut the session short. (the m-audio won't even record while connected to the power adapter !)

At almost $400, it's expesive, but for a solid-state portable recorder with 2 condenser mics that does a good job, it's worth it. It does have some major shortcomings that I'm sure were economic decisions, but it's still very useable.

I'm going to keep it.
 
mactac said:
no worries ... if anyone has any specific q's or needs any detail son comparisons between the m-audio & mindisks, let me know....
I'd love to hear some direct comparisons between the two. I've been on the fence as to which one to get since the R-09 was announced. The guitarist of one of my bands has the MicroTrack and he's recorded a number of our practice sessions as well as a benefit gig we did last week. I was quite surprised at how well it captured the sound of my bass. I assume the recording quality of the R-09 is at least as good.

- Frank.
 
well, the differences are mainly what i said earlier...

from a recording quality standpoint, they are both quite good. I couldn't really tell much difference between the 2.

if you need 48x & 1/4" plugs, go with the m-audio

if you want built-in mics so you don't have to fool around with cables, etc go with the edirol

of course the edirol can take external mics if you have a 48x supply or you use the mics that use plug-in power like the sonys do.

anything specific you wanted to know?
 
Well, here's what I'm struggling with right now. I have a Dell Axim x51v PDA that I use for a number of things and have a variety of software installed on it. Most recently, I installed "Vito SoundExplorer" which allows me to record .mp3 files (the best quality mp3 format it supports is 44kHz, 16bit, 96kps). I've been using it to record our practices and was pretty happy with the results... that was until I heard the results of our guitarist's recording via the MicroTrack. It was so much clearer, particulary with respect to the bass. I'm sure one of the reasons his was so much better was that he is using a tiny external condenser mic (I was using the built in mic on the Axim). I ordered a decent self powered lapel condenser mic, along with an 4-pole mic adapter to work with the Axim, and we'll see if that gets me closer to the fidelity of the MicroTrack. If it doesn't, then I guess I'll be looking more closely at both the Edirol and the M-Audio.

- Frank.
 
The Axim x51v (or any other PDA for that matter) doesn't have a dedicated line in, it only has a mic input and even that is somewhat non standard as it is incorporated within a 4-conductor headset jack that acts as both a stereo headphone out, plus microphone in (similiar to that of some Nokia cell phones, except it's 3.5mm instead of 2.5mm). I've ordered an adapter that will allow it to work with a standard mono 3.5mm plug. When that and the mic I ordered arrives, I'll see if I get better results.

- Frank.
 
Thanks for this detailed review. I have some questions. Have you seen the Edirol R-1 and how does it compare to R-09?
I'm looking to get a cheaper machine first. Maybe a digital voice recorder like Olympus WS-100. My guitarist has one and it works okay to capture ideas.
I eventually want to own something I can take out in the field and record outdoor sounds, mainly urban, in a good quality so I can paste them into my songs. For that, I guess I'd have to wait till I have enough money for Edirol or M-audio.
Do you have any advice for the cheaper thing?
I'm not really looking to do multitracking with this thing, but I can look into some of the cheap pocket multitrackers, too, if they work.
thanks
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the r-1 has more effects (not that i can really think of any reason to use them anyways) & much better inputs.

BUT it's a lot bigger & has no built-in mics. take your pick.

i'd avoid digital voice recorders like the plague... they don't usually do a good job of anything but voice for a number of reasons

if you want to do field recording, the r-09 is nice because you don't have to take seperate mics out if you don't want to... but of course if you want high end condensers, you're going to have to bring a 48v power adapter as well.,... which might be tough if you're going somewhere where there is not power ! (didn't they THINK of that???)

tho that being said, if you are looking for fantasic recording, you'd probably want to bring preamps with you anyways, but i digress...
 
I just took the plunge today and ordered one from Sweetwater Sound. Unfortunately they are backordered (as is with every other retailer I checked with, local or internet), so I probably won't get my hands on it for another week or two. Judging from the lack of availability of these things, I'd say they're the hottest little recording device out there right now.

P.S. Turns out the guitarist who has the MicroTrack also purchased the R-09. He's only had it a little over a week, but he told me he feels it blows away the MicroTrack in every category with the exception of it's external connections (or rather lack of) as compared to the MicroTrack.

- Frank.
 
uglybassplayer said:
I just took the plunge today and ordered one from Sweetwater Sound. Unfortunately they are backordered (as is with every other retailer I checked with, local or internet), so I probably won't get my hands on it for another week or two.

Please post a review when the little sucker comes in, what? :)
 
uglybassplayer said:
I just took the plunge today and ordered one from Sweetwater Sound. Unfortunately they are backordered (as is with every other retailer I checked with, local or internet), so I probably won't get my hands on it for another week or two. Judging from the lack of availability of these things, I'd say they're the hottest little recording device out there right now.

P.S. Turns out the guitarist who has the MicroTrack also purchased the R-09. He's only had it a little over a week, but he told me he feels it blows away the MicroTrack in every category with the exception of it's external connections (or rather lack of) as compared to the MicroTrack.

- Frank.

I have the R-09 and it's great. I tried external mics but the internal sounded a lot better. Amazing for a little "gadget".
 
Chris Fitzgerald said:
Please post a review when the little sucker comes in, what? :)
Sorry the review has been so late in coming. I've had the R-09 for just about a month now, and I wanted to wait until I had the chance to use it in a number of settings before I posted a review.

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The bottom line... BUY THIS THING! It really is an incredible little tool. Here are my impressions...

DISCLAIMER: Let’s get one thing out of the way right from the beginning. There are a few key features that some people look for in a device like this, such as digital in, +48v phantom power, XLR and/or ¼” inputs, and a variety of output options. PLEASE NOTE: the R-09 has NONE OF THESE. If you are looking to use this recorder as a “bit bucket” or need any of the features I just listed, THIS IS NOT THE UNIT FOR YOU. You would be better served with either the MicroTrack 24/96 or better yet, a Marantz PMD-660 (with the highly recommended Oade brothers preamp modification). It looks like Roland/Edirol’s strategy was to design a self contained high quality pocket sized stereo 24 bit wav/mp3 field recorder that can be used on it’s own without any external microphones or preamps, and for the most part I’d say they succeeded.

A friend of mine (who also has an [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) purchased one back in April. He did some comparisons between the two and based on my needs recommended the Edirol.

I'm not going to get too heavy into the features/specs since those can be found on [Invalid or Expired Link Removed], but in a nutshell you have a pocket-sized stereo wav/mp3 recorder with built-in stereo condenser mics, two 1/8" input jacks (mic/line in), 24 bit/48kHz recording (up to 320kbps mp3 encoding) . It can operate for 4 hours powered by two AA alkaline batteries and close to 9 hours using 2500mAh NiMH rechargables!. The mic input can provide up to 3.3v "plug in" power, enough for small electret condenser stereo microphones like the small binaurals from Invalid Link Removed, but it DOES NOT provide phantom power (In comparison, the M-Audio MicroTrack does provide phantom power, but only about +30v, NOT +48v, the industry standard).

The recording quality of this thing is nothing short of amazing, even using the built-in mics. I did some stealth recording at the Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA this past weekend, sticking the R-09 in my shirt pocket and using the built-in mics. I was blown away at the results. The mic preamps appear to be low noise and very high quality, and the MP3 encoding is equally superb. The hardware buttons follow a familiar VCR layout, and the menu system is simple and intuitive. It uses an OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) for the display, which while small, is actually very easy to read with no perceptible lag in the VU meters. It takes less than 3 seconds to "boot up" (by comparison, the Microtrack takes over 15 seconds to boot)and is much simpler to operate than the M-Audio unit.

When I purchased mine, I also ordered a set of omni binaurals from Invalid Link Removed, as well as the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] from Core-Sound. The jury's still out which of the two sets I prefer, but I can tell you that the built-in mics are no slouches and hold their own quite admirably.

I really struggled over spending $400 on a recorder just for rehearsals (I've been using an Averatec 1050 laptop with a Samson USB mic to record gigs), but the recording quality of this thing is so good, I'm tempted to use it for all my field recording :cool:

EDIT: Links to some interesting discussions on the R-09 over at taperssection.com...
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=65175.0;all
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68518.0;all
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=69131.0
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=68447.0;all

- Frank.
 
I just picked up my r-09 today, and have to say I'm blown away by the recording quality I'm able to get with just the basic built in mics. It uploaded to my iMac without a hitch, and then the files opened in either Sound Studio or Audacity flawlessly. I'm a little nervous about the battery/SD door on the bottom of the unit (afraid my big clumsy hands will break it), but this thing is a dream to operate and sounds wonderful. I might try the Roland stereo mic at some point (at about $150 or so, it won't break the bank), but I'm going to experiment a bunch with the built in mics first.

Wow. Just WOW.