EMG HZ 35 being stated as active

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by Xandrell, Jun 24, 2016.


  1. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014
    Bass manufacturers websites ie Jackson, along with retailers stating the EMG H35 pickups on the Dave Ellefson CBX are active.
    I thought all EMG HZs were passive.
     
  2. The pickups are passive, but the bass has a preamp. Hence, the bass is active.
     
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  3. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014
    But they are stating the pickups are active when they are not.
     
  4. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    They're probably stating the bass is active which, for all intents and purposes, it is considered an active bass. Most active basses use passive pickups with an active pre-amp. Take the Music Man StingRay, it is considered an active bass but the pickups are passive.
     
  5. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014
    But MusicMan doesn't list the pickups as active.
     
  6. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    And they don't list them as passive either. Manufacturers don't list "active" or "passive" based on the pickups they consider the entire electronics package. Go into any EBMM dealer and ask them if the StingRay is an active bass, every single one of them will tell you it is.

    StingRay
     
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  7. honeyiscool

    honeyiscool

    Jan 28, 2011
    San Diego, CA
    It's confusing to the end user whether a bass has active pickups or just an active preamp. Most users only care if their bass needs a battery or not.
     
  8. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    From the Jackson website: "An earth-shaking pair of EMG HZ35 humbucking pickups..."
     
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  9. Can you post a link or something?

    If it specifically states that the pickups are active, then the information is incorrect. That's all there is to say about the matter.
     
  10. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014
    Some retailers are using this incorrect info as well. Not their fault. Just FYI
     
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  11. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014
    Isn't a bass with active pickups and preamp referred to as a fully active circuit, different from one with passive pickups?
    Is it right if a customer asks for an active pickup bass and the salesman said here is an active bass not telling the customer it has passive pickups because he thinks an active preamp makes it an active bass regardless of the pickups?
     
  12. wcriley

    wcriley

    Apr 5, 2010
    Western PA
    By the same token, is it right for a manufacturer to claim a bass has active pickups when it doesn't?
    That is the OP's complaint.
     
  13. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    I have never heard a difference in marketing between an active pickup bass and a passive pickup with an active pre-amp bass, they are both always simply referred to as an "active" bass. The only difference would be on the service end which customers wouldn't traditionally see.

    I don't think it is correct for a salesman to intentionally give bad information but I don't think most salesman actually know the difference between active pickups or passive pickups with an active pre-amp. Are you going to fault every salesman who explains "underpowering your amp" and how "15s go lower"? I don't think most consumers know the difference either nor do I think they care. Hell, I would be willing to bet a shocking number of techs don't know the difference between active and passive with a pre-amp.

    Most customers only care if it is active for the pre-amp, they want the ability to boost as well as cut, or to know whether to use an amp's padded input or not. The only difference this makes is when it comes to aftermarket parts and modifications as it will limit your pickup selection.

    Did you buy this bass on the assumption that it had active pickups and you now feel cheated? If so, I can understand your frustrations but, at the end, of the day if it plays great and it sounds great then it is simply great, regardless of it's components.
     
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  14. arbiterusa

    arbiterusa

    Sep 24, 2015
    San Diego, CA
    This, right here, is the ultimate Talkbass thread.
     
  15. DavC

    DavC

    May 17, 2005
    Tallmadge , Ohio
    if you do some homework ... scroll down thru to 'the electronics ' ... states 'active 3-band EQ '

    then , if you'd research at EMG's website ... the 35HZ pups are - Passive ...


    i'd never let the babbling ' advert writers' explain tech specs to me ...!
     
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  16. Xandrell

    Xandrell

    Aug 23, 2014

    This is exactly what I did and the reason for posting.
    From the email, It appears they will take care of it.
    Probably won't be able to do anything about the retailers though.

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    Bryce Wells (Fender)

    Jun 24, 14:27 MST

    Hello,

    Thanks for sharing! I will pass this along to my webteam to correct.

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    Fender Musical
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  17. I'm glad that's settled...since there is no such thing as an active pickup.
     
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  18. Ellery

    Ellery

    Mar 25, 2015
    These ads were not written by someone focusing on accurate engineering specs, but someone focusing on separating you from your money. If someone reads that and doesn't know it's wrong, then it probably wouldn't have affected their buying decision anyway because they don't understand what active electronics really are.
     
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  19. Funkinthetrunk

    Funkinthetrunk Registered User Supporting Member

    There ain't ?
     
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