Eminence Delta 10A replacement 410XLT ?

[Soilworker]

Hi all,

I searched the forum but didn't find a satisfying answer.
Would the Eminence Delta 10A make a good replacement speaker for an Eden 410XLT? I think I need to replace two speakers (see picture).

Like to hear from you guys.

 

[agedhorse]

With that damage, it's almost guaranteed that all 4 speakers are damaged. Classic case of way too much power for the driver/cabinet design.

Given the damage, I think you will want to be sure the mechanical power handling details are explored. If you provide the internal dimensions and # of ports, port area and length, somebody might have some viable suggestions. I might even have something in my surplus stock.

 

[fast slapper]

Eminence S2010 will work for about the same price and save you a lot of weight.

What amp are you using? A high-pass filter would be helpful in protecting your drivers and possibly tighten up your sound.

 

[Soilworker]

I have to add, though i'm not a tech, there was a loose cable (internally), attached it and the right two speakers where moving much less. I found out because I added much bass to my eq and the two on the right side were moving in an extreme way. After attaching the cable the four speakers are moving even again. Tested it very loudly, no break up or whatsoever.
I hope this makes sense because I am from the Netherlands so kinda hard to explain.

 

[gyancey]

A couple of years ago I reconed all the drivers in my Eden 410XLT because they were creased/broken like yours. I didn't find it that difficult and they worked great afterwards. I got the kits here: Eden 10" EC1060XL-4 Aftermarket Recone Kit - Speaker Exchange Looks like they can ship international.

 

[agedhorse]

I have to add, though i'm not a tech, there was a loose cable (internally), attached it and the right two speakers where moving much less. I found out because I added much bass to my eq and the two on the right side were moving in an extreme way. After attaching the cable the four speakers are moving even again. Tested it very loudly, no break up or whatsoever.
I hope this makes sense because I am from the Netherlands so kinda hard to explain.

It's possible that IF two drivers were not being driven, they acted as a poorly tuned passive radiator, which would reduce the power handling in the two drivers that were being driven. That could be the root cause, but you still need to be sure the suspension part of the remaining 2 drivers are not damaged. The damage may be hidden, affecting the internal properties of the driver.

Getting the speakers reconed are an option, but often more expensive than just buying new (for that type of driver). That's why I suggested that you measure and provide the data I suggested. There may be a driver available in the EU that's a better choice as well.

 

[Soilworker]

Thanks for the advice so far.
Reconing is not realy what I would like to do, looks difficult to me. Maybe as a last resort.

I don't care that much for weight so a heavier driver is not a problem. Would the Delta 10A be a good choice?

 

[agedhorse]

Thanks for the advice so far.
Reconing is not realy what I would like to do, looks difficult to me. Maybe as a last resort.

I don't care that much for weight so a heavier driver is not a problem. Would the Delta 10A be a good choice?

There are shops that specialize in reconing. Many of the DIY recone jobs I see are abysmal at best, it takes time, practice, aptitude and an attention to detail that few are interested in doing.

Have no idea if the delta 10A is a suitable choice or not, it depends on the parameters of your cabinet.

 

[Soilworker]

There are shops that specialize in reconing. Many of the DIY recone jobs I see are abysmal at best, it takes time, practice, aptitude and an attention to detail that few are interested in doing.

Have no idea if the delta 10A is a suitable choice or not, it depends on the parameters of your cabinet.

Dimensions are:
21" for width and height.
Depth is 15.7
6 ports, dimension: 2" x 6.5"
Total height is 26"

I hope this is the information you need?
I want to replace two of the four drivers, if possible.

 

[agedhorse]

With a quick calculation, the Delta 10A's look pretty bad, but that's not surprising knowing the parameters of that driver. (assuming that the dimensions you gave are inside dimensions)

One driver that looks ok in that box is the Faital 10FE200, it's a pretty good tradeoff for that box. -3dB at 60Hz, -10dB at about 40hz, decent sensitivity and a mechanical power handling of around 125 watts per driver for a total of 500 watts RMS (using my conservative benchmarks).

There are others I'm sure, but this is an easy choice. I modeled it using the 8 ohm version, the 4 ohm should be pretty close but will not be identical. You would need to replace all 4, the drivers need to be the same inside the shared air space.

 

[Rockbobmel]

I had the same creased cones and VC rubbing with a 2-10XLT and used these also. Best remedy IMO. It was not a hard project. Just common sense. Eden 10" EC1060XL-4 Aftermarket Recone Kit - Speaker Exchange

 

[Hand slap]

Hi all,

I searched the forum but didn't find a satisfying answer.
Would the Eminence Delta 10A make a good replacement speaker for an Eden 410XLT? I think I need to replace two speakers (see picture).

Like to hear from you guys.

Buy the Eminence CA 1059, they boast being the best option for Eden replacements. I just bought 2 from Sweetwater, very happy with them, nice speakers.

 

[baxter_x]

Buy the Eminence CA 1059

I was about to provide the same advice.

 

[Soilworker]

Buy the Eminence CA 1059, they boast being the best option for Eden replacements. I just bought 2 from Sweetwater, very happy with them, nice speakers.

Should I replace all 4 of them or just the two which are damaged?

 

[baxter_x]

Visually check the others too. You'll see if they need to be changed or not. But my guess is they will need to be changed according to how this one suffered.

 

[Soilworker]

Ok thank you. I already checked the others. No damage, only the two on the right side.
I'm wondering, we talk about damage but when I turn up the volume to a level that is way to loud for my band, everything is fine. The cab sounds good, tight, punchy, good lows. So, are they realy damaged? Or am I just worried with no good reason?

 

[agedhorse]

And experienced speaker recone tech will be able to tell.

If you are replacing only 2, they should be identical to what's in it currently. The speakers have properties that need to work together under the acoustic load or you can end up with greatly reduced power handling.

 

[fast slapper]

They are definitely damaged, but you might get months to years of good use out of them before they start making noticeable flapping noises.

 

[Skillet]

From a quick internet searching, it looks like (here in the States) that the Faitals that @agedhorse recommended are about half the price of the Eminence mentioned.

"FaitalPRO 10FE200 10" Professional Woofer 4 Ohm" from www.parts-express.com! (note I don't know what impedence speaker you would require)

Your safest best is to either have all 4 of your current speakers reconed by a professional or buy 4 new speakers.

 

[agedhorse]

In Europe, I think the Faital speakers would be easier to find and probably less expensive as well, but in spite of that, they are a better choice performance wise than the delta 10's.