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Epifani UL-410 Score!

#61
vision said:
+1...For example, they will apparently be raising the street price or the PS600 from $999 to $1199. No big issue to me in and of itself, I understand that costs go up and there are other issues behind the scene. The problem is that the head was announced at a price of $999 almost before it was actually available in stores. Then right after it became available, the price is bumped - it just doesn't look good. In the post talking about this a few days ago guys were pretty upset over it. It seems to me that the whole problem could have been avoided if the original marketing didn't mention the price of $999. The price shouldn't be announced until the product is available.
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Yep. If I was looking at this head, it'd make me stop looking. Pretty bad marketing and decision if you ask me. Especially because, at least based on the posts I read, the price is being raised just because Nick thinks the head is worth more than he was originally charging.
 
#62
But you have to understand also that you have to have projections for release dates and prices way in advance for marketing and advertising and during that time, prices can go up on components going into the product that's out of the hands of the manufacturer.
Example, I had a new redwood fence put in last year, from the time of the quote and the time of the installation, (delayed because of weather) the cost of the redwood went up 15%, the company honored the quote. But anything after that, all prices went up.
Nick is honoring all those commitments.
 
#63
MacGroove said:
But you have to understand also that you have to have projections for release dates and prices way in advance for marketing and advertising and during that time, prices can go up on components going into the product that's out of the hands of the manufacturer.
Example, I had a new redwood fence put in last year, from the time of the quote and the time of the installation, (delayed because of weather) the cost of the redwood went up 15%, the company honored the quote. But anything after that, all prices went up.
Nick is honoring all those commitments.
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But doesn't Nick control his own marketing and advertising budget? Seems simple to me. If you don't know how much you are going to have invested in something, and aren't sure you can sell an item for a specific price, don't advertise it at that price.
 
#64
cheezewiz said:
If you don't know how much you are going to have invested in something, and aren't sure you can sell an item for a specific price, don't advertise it at that price.
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+1...I remember back when the first ads came out, I thought that it was a bit strange having the street prices listed. It's pretty rare that an amp ad will have a price in it at all, let alone the street price. That REALLY shouldn't have been done unless production was significantly under way and they were about to hit the stores.

Also, one reason why this is a big deal to alot of people may be the positioning of the amp vs. some of it's competition. At $999, the PS600 was in a niche by itself, most of it's closest competition was priced a bit higher. Now its on the same level pricewise with amps like the Thunderfunk and the Eden WT550. So it may be judged a bit more critically based on this.

Once again, I don't have too big of a problem with it, and I would still love to check out the PS600. I love Epifani gear, if I didn't I wouldn't even bother thinking about all of this. I definitely understand that costs go up when producing something, I just think it could have been handled a little better from a marketing standpoint.
 
#65
HI

Epifani gear is great. Dont like the price, dont buy it. I just got my UL502 as a demo, $1000 used with the footswitch and soft bag. Perfect shape. Maybe all of you should wait a bit for the new amps to become used amps???

Rob
 
#66
bikeplate said:
HI

Epifani gear is great. Dont like the price, dont buy it. I just got my UL502 as a demo, $1000 used with the footswitch and soft bag. Perfect shape. Maybe all of you should wait a bit for the new amps to become used amps???

Rob
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+1 I'm assuming the 502's will start to be blown out as the new line starts shipping. Nice stuff!
 
#68
cheezewiz said:
But doesn't Nick control his own marketing and advertising budget? Seems simple to me. If you don't know how much you are going to have invested in something, and aren't sure you can sell an item for a specific price, don't advertise it at that price.
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Control of marketing and advertising budget is not what I was referring to, sorry if that's the impression I gave you. I was trying to say, if this says it :rolleyes: when you're given quotes from a supplier and a deadline and those quotes and dates are not met for your distribution, after all your planning, such as magazine adds and BP reviews which all have to be done many months in advance for publication, you have to make adjustments as they come. Of course that's IMO. Just like when gas prices went way up, our band had to adjust our prices for long distance travel to compensate the inflation but we honored our current contracts.
 
#69
MacGroove said:
That's exactly the point. The 'C' of the UL902C stands for concert. This is where bassists use multiple cabs. And not just a pair of UL410's @4 ohms each but also 4x410's @ 8 ohms each or some other configuration of 10's and 12's or 15's.
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I have to say a 902c with a pair of ul310's sounds like a flexible option that would cover everything. Expensive though.
 
#70
bikeplate said:
HI

Epifani gear is great. Dont like the price, dont buy it. I just got my UL502 as a demo, $1000 used with the footswitch and soft bag. Perfect shape. Maybe all of you should wait a bit for the new amps to become used amps???

Rob
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+1

there are lots of great SS gear at lower price points.

but do they sound like the epifani's? nope, and i'm pretty sure nick knows, too. ;)
 
#71
KJung said:
Cool on the 600. We will look forward to your report, since you are probably one of the first to actually own one.
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I've only been able to play through it for about half an hour so far. It's a busy week with the holidays and all... Anyway, my initial impressions:

Appearance: Very high quality. I dig the blue brushed aluminum faceplate. It's a very "classy" looking piece of gear. The knurled chrome knobs are very beefy and have a nice feel to them. Much better than the knobs on the Aggie AG500SC I had. The push-buttons are a little larger and beefier than the usual "chiclets" I've seen on other amps. The weight of this thing is unbelievable- 8 lbs! I decided to get a 2U SKB rack case for it. I'm not aware of any bags being available from Epi, and after all it is designed to be rack-mounted, so there you go. It will still be incredibly light and portable!

Volume: Again, I've had very little time, but I can tell you that this amp can get LOUD! I tried it with my new UL212. I've read where the 600W @ 4 ohms is probably a conservative rating, and I would agree. I plan on using this on my next gig instead of my Carvin B1500 (1250W @ 4ohms) without hesitation. It's not until late December, but I'll post a review then. I no longer have the AG500 (a great amp, btw) to do a side-by-side, but my "seat of the pants" reaction is that the Epi can get louder. Also, it's a very quiet amp. There is very little background hiss.

Tone: Believe it or not, I couldn't find a bad tone in this amp. The bottom can get very deep, but it's controlled, the mids can go from polite to punchy, but never honky. The treble is very clear and articulate. I did not play with the treble shift or mid-cut switches yet. I do slap and pop on occasion, so that will be a useful feature.

The only problem I have is that the mute button doesn't completely mute the output. I could still hear my bass (granted it was a very low level output) with the mute engaged, so I'll probably contact Epifani to see what that's about. All in all, so far, I'm very pleased with this amp. I was looking for a small, powerful amp with a simple EQ and the PS600 delivers in spades. Of course, this is all IMHO and YMMV.

Cheers,
Kevin
 
#72
kobass said:
The only problem I have is that the mute button doesn't completely mute the output. I could still hear my bass (granted it was a very low level output) with the mute engaged, so I'll probably contact Epifani to see what that's about.
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I've actually noticed this on occasion with my Quest II and UL502. When you initially turn the units on, they are in mute. But I can still hear a very small amount coming through the speakers. If you click the mute off, then on again, that output goes away. I'm not sure why it does this, but would like to know why even the least expensive of all amps have a mute function that cuts 100% of the output, but the epifani stuff does not. Also, with my Quest II or UL502, if the amp is not muted or the master not turned down, there is a little static sound when you hit the switch on the amp to switch between channels, or hit the mid-cut on channel 1.
 
#73
xgabriel said:
I've actually noticed this on occasion with my Quest II and UL502. When you initially turn the units on, they are in mute. But I can still hear a very small amount coming through the speakers. If you click the mute off, then on again, that output goes away. I'm not sure why it does this, but would like to know why even the least expensive of all amps have a mute function that cuts 100% of the output, but the epifani stuff does not. Also, with my Quest II or UL502, if the amp is not muted or the master not turned down, there is a little static sound when you hit the switch on the amp to switch between channels, or hit the mid-cut on channel 1.
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Thanks for your input! I'll try cycling the mute switch to see if that does the trick.
 
#74
xgabriel said:
I've actually noticed this on occasion with my Quest II and UL502. When you initially turn the units on, they are in mute. But I can still hear a very small amount coming through the speakers. If you click the mute off, then on again, that output goes away. QUOTE]

Yeah, LOL, I use turn on my amp and volume and nothing, my first thought was, what's wrong and begin to panic but realize the mute is always on when you turn the amp on. :D
I think it's more of a protection thing, I've seen, heard, bassists and guitarists (mostly) turn their amps on and BAMM, popping or feed back because their volume and gain were left on (usually at high levels) when they plug their instruments in.
One of our guitarists does it all the time, it's irritating yet humorous now that it's so common.
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#79
Quadzilla said:
It appears to be your old cab. Had the tag secured with a white, thin string on the handle and cab was in plastic wrap (like thick Saran Wrap). Why did you return it again?
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Haha! Yup, that was mine!!! There are two reasons I returned it. The first reason is that since my motorcycle accident over the summer were I fractured three vertibrae, I have a hard time lifting an maneuvering large, heavy things. Granted, the UL410 is amazingly light for what it is, but combined with the size of the cab, my back just couldn't handle it easily enough.

The second reason is because I A/B'd it with 2xUL112s, and liked the sound a little bit more. They sounded sweeter to my ears, but still cut through the mix. I once had a soft spot for 12" neos when I owned a genz benz Neox 212t cab, and the epi's just improved on that tone. Now don't get me wrong, the ul410 has amazing punch, with a very cutting tone that sounded awesome in a rock mix. But I figured that the UL112s were nearly as good sounding, but in a more manageable size and weight.

As of late, I have been taking one UL112 to rehearsals, and even at our loudest, I never have to turn the master on my UL502 past 12 o'clock. When using it alone, I just boost the bass on the UL502's eq, and it really fills out the sound nicely. I am more and more impressed with sound from even just one UL112, and then adding the second cab just sweetens the deal.

You have an amazing cab there, and you got for an amazing price! I can easily see myself getting another UL410 in the future, but that is a ways away.
 

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