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Double Bass EQ pedal to tame resonant notes?

This is a great piece of kit that solves many issues including the one you're dealing with. I highly recommend it!
Radial AC Driver - Acoustic Instrument Preamp w/low Cut and Notch Filter
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If the acoustic sound is even (there cannot be feedback purely acoustically because there is always less energy coming back than what was emitted), then it is in the amplification chain. But this can also be a mechanical or transducer problem, so fitting and type of pickup is the first to check if you have a DB-friendly amp and cab.
Carrying a 31-channel EQ to every gig is not much fun.
 
Some thoughts:

+1 to figuring out root cause of your issue (acoustic or electronic) and solving from there.

If solving things acoustically doesn’t resolve your issue enough, +1 to some sort of notch/parametric eq being a good next step. I’ve used an Empress ParaEQ, Radial AC Driver, Radial Tonebone PZ-Pre, Broughton Messenger, and Grace Felix, and they’re all basically able to do what you likely need, with varying degrees of being overkill.

One other word of advice: Unless you really need a sophisticated and complex tool (like a 3-band parametric EQ or a 31-band graphic equalizer), go with the simplest tool/solution by default. No doubt, 31-band graphic EQs are wonderful and amazing tools for live sound, but unless you really know it’s the right tool for your specific problem, you’re going to be better off by defaulting to the simplest solution first. IMO, this would likely mean starting with one of the Radial options, Fishman with a notch filter, or maybe the Broughton (but, 1/ it might be overkill and 2/ it might be hard to get, depending on demand).
 
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I own a Grace Felix and a Headway EDB-2 as a backup. I use the low cut filter on the Grace frequently because it has a very subtitle roll off. I’ve never had the occasion to use the Notch Filter on either device, with the Ehrlund EAP. The mics I use go straight out to the house. I rarely use a mic at all. Just my approach.
 
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All IMHO so YMMV.

I agree that a 30-band graphic is probably impractical for most players, because most people are not using a rack based rig. I used the graphic with an SWR Redhead, so it was simply a matter of installing the EQ in the amp's rack slot and patching it into the effects loop. Considering how heavy a Readhead is, the weight of the EQ was really not a significant factor, and I didn't notice any difference in carrying or setting up the amp.

A 30-band graphic actually works really well because there are enough bands to get you close enough to the problem frequency to get good results. Also the bands are narrow enough that they can be dipped 12dB without having a major impact on your sound.

IMHO graphic EQs with significantly less bands are not well suited to the task as a utility EQ. The bands are too far apart and the bandwidth is too wide for effective feedback control. The point here is you generally don't find EQ pedals with 30 bands, but you might find one with 10 or maybe 12. While these are useful for general tone shaping, they are not very good for dialing out feedback.

I also feel the most semi-parametric EQ pedals are ill suited for dialing out feedback as well because the bandwidth is permanently set to a wide band that is not suitable to the task. The Empress is an exception, as the bands can be set to a narrow enough band where it is useful.

While the Tech 21 Q-Strip is reportedly a fabulous sounding Preamp DI, both of it's semi-parametric tone controls are too wide to make it ideal for dealing with feedback. So I suspect I would probably enjoy using the Q-Strip as a preamp to set my overall sound, but I would find the ParaEQ far more useful for controlling feedback with an upright.

Notch filters are great, and in fact using a parametric EQ with an extremely narrow band is pretty much the same thing. The problem with notch filters is usually you get one, and that is frequently not enough. Even the ParaEQ's three bands is less than I would like.

In my experience, if you need to play at a volume where the bass's resonance is becoming problematic, skillfully applying three notch filters will pretty much always improve the sound. You won't tend to hit the point of diminishing returns until 4 or more notch filters have been applied. Personally I think two notches should really be the bare minimum, but very few products offer more than one.

Also sometimes it's better to apply a really deep notch, and sometimes it's better to use a wider bandwidth and just cut a little. While the ParaEQ's bandwidth toggles are not ideal for this, it's still better than most other EQ pedals. Since the new Broughton will have continuously variable band width, it should be even better.

There is one limitation of the ParaEQ and new Broughton that I want to bring to your attention. Although you get three bands of variable frequency control, each band covers only a limited part of the audio spectrum. The bands do overlap a bit (an octave or more), but each band can only be adjusted within a fairly limited frequency range. Unfortunately, you frequently have to tune out two or more resonance peaks that are relatively close together, so you may come across problems that neither of these EQs can effectively resolve.

Also, the high band of each of these EQs starts at 1khz. In my experience, upright basses don't tend to have a lot of problems with feedback above 1khz. However, this band may still be useful for general sweetening, especially if you play arco.
 
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Thanks for all the info.
I'm using the Shen with a Gauge Lifeline, Headway EDB-2, into an Acoustic Image Coda.
Using a bit of HPF on the amp, EQ is set mostly flat.
Open A string is quite boomy, C# on the same string is kinda dead.

I agree, not going to haul a 31 band rack graphic EQ around. Might try experimenting more with the notch filter on the Headway, see if that can sure the boom. What frequency should I be cutting? a narrow band ~55Hz right?
 
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Thanks for all the info.
I'm using the Shen with a Gauge Lifeline, Headway EDB-2, into an Acoustic Image Coda.
Using a bit of HPF on the amp, EQ is set mostly flat.
Open A string is quite boomy, C# on the same string is kinda dead.

I agree, not going to haul a 31 band rack graphic EQ around. Might try experimenting more with the notch filter on the Headway, see if that can sure the boom. What frequency should I be cutting? a narrow band ~55Hz right?

The way I find the right frequency with an EQ is to find the peak, then apply a dip. With parametric I start with a medium bandwidth. Turn up the overall gain until the bass is on the verge of feeding back. Then create about a 6dB medium bandwidth peak and sweep until I find the offending frequency. Find the exact frequency by narrowing the bandwidth and sweeping back and fourth. You want to find the peak with pretty much the narrowest bandwidth possible. After you identify the precise frequency, pull the gain down with the narrow filter.

The feedback frequency can sometimes vary with factors such as temperature. So in some instances you may want to slightly open up the bandwidth, but this is only with super narrow filters that most devices do not have. Otherwise you may need to recenter some of the notches as conditions change.

Since you generally can't peak with a notch filter, you simply turn up the gain until the bass is on the verge of feeding back and then sweep the notch to find the offending frequency. After you get close, try increasing the gain so more. If the same frequency rings again, try fine tuning the notch.

In the event you ever do work with a 30-or 31-band graphic, here is my procedure: Turn up the overall gain until the bass is on the verge of feeding back. Note any frequencies that pop out. Now drop the overall gain slightly, grab the two lowest bands on the EQ, and slowly bring them up. If nothing happens keep turning them up until they have maxed out. If feedback occurs, take note of the tone and drop the faders back down. Next move up one band and do the same thing. In other words you will peak two bands again, the lowest band was previously the top band, and the top band is new.

After you have tested three bands, assess and make a decision. Do you need to dip one of the first two bands or not. If you do decide to make a dip, you have to determine which of two bands to adjust, and then apply a relatively deep cut. The idea is you should dip the band that is closet to the problematic frequency. Sometimes the problem is almost dead center between the bands. If this occurs it's often better to make a shallower cut, because the effective bandwidth is wider. However, sometimes you get feedback that is close to each band. If one band feeds back way easier, try a deep cut on only the worst band. Sometimes it's better to us a relatively shallow cut across several adjacent bands.

The judgment you use to decide which band(s) to dip is something that develops with experience. So consider repeating if you don't get great results on the first attempt.

So far you have boosted three adjacent bands and made a decision whether you should apply a cut to the lowest two bands. Make your adjustment and then continue in the same fashion. Every time you move up one band, you make a decision on what to do with the lowest two bands out of three. Continue until you have tested and assessed all relevant bands on the EQ.

After you get comfortable, streamline the process however you see fit. Ideally you want to dip only the worst 4-6 feedback nodes. If you have "golden ears", you can simply progressively bring up the gain and when feedback starts you simply apply a dip at the corresponding frequency.


I like to keep on hand one on the overall gain while I am peaking the EQ controls, so I can quickly turn everything down if a really strong feedback spike occurs.
 
I tried parametrics and notch filters for years to control resonances on the D and G strings that led to feedback. The final solution: a high pass filter, discovered by accident.

I had just bought an AI Coda and was messing around with the filter to see what it did. The notch setting was no different than my previous experiences but the high pass was the solution I had been chasing for a decade. I immeidiately bought an fdeck HPF pedal to use with my Walter Woods amp.

An HPF won't help with resonances that occur when unamplified but has saved my life when amplified.

P.S. Careful with compression to control runaway notes! If set improperly, it can make feedback resonances worse, not better. Compression not only reduces high peaks (good) but can boost lower level signals (bad).
 
I have been playing with a cheap IR Loader (NUX NSS 3), and it is possible to store 24 different selectable 'EQ curves' in it as 'impulse response' files to replace the 'cabinet simulations' that come preloaded. It has been quite a rabbit-hole and I have been messing with spectrum-matching plugins etc in my DAW to make some IRs. Plenty of time to kill in lockdown, so why not a nerd-fest ?

The results have been encouraging so far, and this tiny pedal can emulate a 30-band GEQ setting fairly easily, plus provide as much high-pass and low-pass cut-off as you want. The hardest bit so far has been getting my computer to connect to the pedal over USB ! I am loading several variations on each setting, as they cannot be 'adjusted' once they are inside the pedal. Replacing them requires the whole computer USB connection thing which would not be a good look on stage :roflmao:

My only slight regret so far is not having payed an extra $50 to get a similar pedal with XLR out.

Plus I don't know when I will get to try it on a live gig... I expect that will prompt a few revisions / adjustments.

Steve
 
I am ever-appreciative of @Wasnex level of expertise on these topics - the unfortunate thing for someone like me is I don't have the ears or the patience while setting up for a gig to be able to effectively use a para-eq. These days, for me its a combination of a hpf and the TC Q-Strip, which together seem to be able to solve most problems and honkers that I might have to deal with. I had an Empress Para EQ at one point, but really was not able to put it to best use. And yes @Wasnex your hunch is correct - the Q strip is a really effective gig preamp.
 
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Thanks for all the info.
I'm using the Shen with a Gauge Lifeline, Headway EDB-2, into an Acoustic Image Coda.
Using a bit of HPF on the amp, EQ is set mostly flat.
Open A string is quite boomy, C# on the same string is kinda dead.

I agree, not going to haul a 31 band rack graphic EQ around. Might try experimenting more with the notch filter on the Headway, see if that can sure the boom. What frequency should I be cutting? a narrow band ~55Hz right?

You have GREAT gear to work with! Here's a something you might try. Bypass the EQ section on the Coda, by inserting the Headway into the return on the effects loop. That way you're essentially using the AI as a powered speaker. What I found with the EDB-2 and my Walter Woods was that even with the amp controls set flat, there was to much boost of the low end when you ganged two EQ sections together. It's worth a shot. Additionally you can use the instrument selection switch as a HPF by moving it to the Guitar setting
 
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