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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi strings megathread part II

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Eric Hochberg said:
They're nice for jazz solos arco. I have to lighten up a bit so they don't bottom out. Don't know how they'd be for orchestra.
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Thanks, that's what I needed to know. They should be exactly what I'm looking for. I'm in no way an orchestra player. I play in a church praise and worship band, and I've been using the bow a lot lately as we don't have a drummer at the moment, so we've been going acoustic for the last month or so, and I wanted to give some of the songs a fuller sound.
 
#623
Hello everyone

as I said before I'm a classical player, and used some years Spirocore Solo, but I am using for three months Evah Pirazzi Solo and I love your sound, to me much better than Spirocore and then the rope E2 Spirocore, hate and tired of metallic soud....in my double bass, of course . However, I feel I have to do a lot of pressure on the bow to get a good sound ...Maybe impression or not!

I have thought of Original Flat-Chrome, Permanent, Spirocore with Permanent (E2) or maintain the Evah Pirazzi with another string A1 ... maybe Flexocor or Belcanto Solo?!

Thank you for your opinions.

Thank you very much.
 
#624
Finally got to take my Cleveland string with Evah Pirazzi Weichs out to a gig.

Way better than I expected. They are a significantly better string than the regular Evahs in my book. Nice and dark, some sense of plastic but not like the regulars. Like any low tension string I wanted a bit more resistance but i got used to it without pretty quick. Doesn't have the front of the note like spirocores but it's nice and fat. Makes that plywood bass sound a whole lot better than it is.

It's the right string for that bass for sure. Really great.
 
#625
How does the pizz tension of the G and D EP Weichs compare to Spirocore Weichs? More? Less? Stiffer feel?

How do the EP Weichs amplify with a pick-up compared to Spirocore Weichs? I found the regular EP's did not respond to a pick-up very well.
I did not see any specific answers in previous posts.

Thanks.
 
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martinc said:
How does the pizz tension of the G and D EP Weichs compare to Spirocore Weichs? More? Less? Stiffer feel?

How do the EP Weichs amplify with a pick-up compared to Spirocore Weichs? I found the regular EP's did not respond to a pick-up very well.
I did not see any specific answers in previous posts.

Thanks.
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It seems like EP Weichs are lighter tension than Spiro Weichs but maybe not. It could be that they are more flexible rather than lower tension. I'm not sure.

I didn't like the sound of the EP regular through the Full Circle in my rig on that bass, it was plastic sounding and uneven, the Weich EP through the same rig sounded pretty huge...way way better. I still prefer the front end of the note and steel sound of spirocores but the full thick sound of the EP weichs was very compelling. I could easily play like that and not want something else.

I can also see why Gamut D/G sound so good on top of those strings, especially amplified. That would be a very big sounding mix where the G string pings out in the upper register and the E string rattles the room beneath.

Not spirocores, different, bigger, warmer but not as defined or articulate. Closer to gut than spiros.
 
#627
That is definitely intriguing! Thanks for the review Phil. The amplified sound on my Hofner Plywood with Regular EP's -> Full Circle -> MB150S is the best sound that I have ever had with that bass. Sounded huge, but the tension on that bass kills me. EP Regulars have the attack of a wound gut string(Olive etc), but with more sustain. Looks like Weichs may be the answer...
 
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Adrian Juras said:
That is definitely intriguing! Thanks for the review Phil. The amplified sound on my Hofner Plywood with Regular EP's -> Full Circle -> MB150S is the best sound that I have ever had with that bass. Sounded huge, but the tension on that bass kills me. EP Regulars have the attack of a wound gut string(Olive etc), but with more sustain. Looks like Weichs may be the answer...
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I'm not sure why they are so different but the distance between the regular EP and weich is much more profound than the difference between the regular and weich spiros.

I think the attack of the weich EP is not as striking as the regular EP. Still there but the body of the note is stronger than the attack on wiechs, I think it's the opposite with the regular set.

I have no idea how they'll sound over time either....I don't play that bass enough to have a sense of that for a long time.
 
#630
Francois Blais said:
Or solos...
The weichs seem somewhat stiff to me. Not that much lower than regulars on my setup.
I'll definitely buy a set of solos someday... :)
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Evahs weichs to stiff? Wow. I guess I'm used to stiff strings, those weichs seem like rubber bands to me. If anything was negative last night for me it was I felt like I was working harder on those strings than spirocores.
 
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Funny. Once again proof how bass dependent all this stuff is. I have the regular Evahs on my bass. I really am liking everything about them including how well they amplify. I usually use a Realist and think they sound great with it and sometimes slap a Bassmax on when I have to be a little more on the stoopid loud side. I always found that pickup to be a little harsh sounding but with the Evahs it sounds huge and warm.
 
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Uncletoad said:
It seems like EP Weichs are lighter tension than Spiro Weichs but maybe not. It could be that they are more flexible rather than lower tension. I'm not sure.

I didn't like the sound of the EP regular through the Full Circle in my rig on that bass, it was plastic sounding and uneven, the Weich EP through the same rig sounded pretty huge...way way better. I still prefer the front end of the note and steel sound of spirocores but the full thick sound of the EP weichs was very compelling. I could easily play like that and not want something else.

I can also see why Gamut D/G sound so good on top of those strings, especially amplified. That would be a very big sounding mix where the G string pings out in the upper register and the E string rattles the room beneath.

Not spirocores, different, bigger, warmer but not as defined or articulate. Closer to gut than spiros.
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Unca Toad: Thanks a million! Just the info I needed.
 
#635
Uncletoad said:
I have no idea how they'll sound over time either....I don't play that bass enough to have a sense of that for a long time.
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Phil, as you know, mine just passed one year, and to my ears and hands, they're just fine. They're played day and night in my case. So I think with the sporadic use that your Cleveland sees, you should be in good shape for awhile.

I see the EP Weichs as my current "default" set.... something that's going to sound great, not bust the bank, and last a good long time for my needs. They work great in combination with the Gamuts, but I'm also fine with the full set if it comes to that.

BTW..... I did a show at the MACC's Castle Theater the other night, which is just about the best room I've ever played from an acoustical standpoint. 1200 seater. Piano trio, at that nice low level that you can get away with when the audience is paying attention. For me, it was as close to perfect sound as I've experienced in a long time. Great pianist (Sal Godinez) on a well-tuned Steinway, a drummer (Roscoe Wright) who can swing his ass off at that volume, and the bass was just sounding spectacular, just barely mic'ed through their system. Bliss. The guts were just so right for that room, and the EPs on the bottom held everything together beautifully. Me want more!
 
#636
Ok, here we go.
I've got standard gauge EPs on my bass at the moment and a few months ago I switched the G for the Oliv which matched very well and really made the set work for me. My strings aren't dead yet but I'm starting to contemplate the replacement. I feel that the E string is a little lacking in oomph (and to a lesser extent the A) maybe that's just the physical size of the thing that's making it seem like that (though it does seem difficult to get it to really growl). I was contemplating putting a Spiro Mittel E on there, though i wonder if it will blend well, particularly arco.
Of course there's also the EP weichs to consider. They've been described as more growly than the regular EPs and I think I would welcome a slight decrease in size. I'm tempted to shell out for a complete set of EP weichs and try them out but expensive experiment! Also would EP weichs and Oliv G blend, there seem to be mixed feelings about it on this forum?
Finally, what about Oliv G, EP weich D and A and Spiro Mittel E? Is that just overdoing it with the string mixing?
I quite like the Oliv G and regular EP D but I find the EP A a little huge and the EP E a bit wussy (or maybe I'm too wussy for the EP E). If it wasn't for Talkbass I wouldn't even be thinking about this 'problem!'
Thoughts appreciated.
 
#637
I'll add my thoughts to the mix (again) as I've had recent experience with EP regulars, EP weichs, and Spiros mittels. This holds for my bass, my hands, my rig, my ears. You'll notice that my experience is both consistent and inconsistent in several areas with that of others here. YMMV certainly applies. Here goes:

EP regulars
Sound: HUGE-- the veritable cannon. Missing the front-end articulation of Spiro mittels and less growl and "whine" than Spiros mittels. They have the front end "pop" that makes them cut through.
Feel: Like playing on bridge cables. Extremely stiff. Definitely slow me down.
Amplification: Some of the best amplified sound I ever had. Despite lack of front-end articulation, they cut through nicely.

EP weichs
Sound: Quite big but not as big as the regulars. Still have front-end "pop." Retain the sound of the regulars but a bit smaller.
Feel: Much better than the regulars, more supple. Diameters seem "just right." Still substantially stiffer than Spiro mittels and seem to actually stiffen with age.
Amplification: Essentially the same as regulars.

Spiro mittels
Sound: Much smaller than either EP-- far less power BUT have that front-end brightness, articulation, whine, and growl that many of us love so much. Just don't get those from either Evahs.
Feel: Much more flexible (less stiff) than either set of Evahs. G diameter actually smaller than I prefer.
Amplification: Just fine-- classic sound. Not surprisingly, don't carry the Evah "punch."
 
#639
martinc said:
drub wrote re EP Weichs:".......Still substantially stiffer than Spiros and seem to actually stiffen with age."

Doc: Informative assessments. But substantially stiffer than which Spiro's...Weich or Orchestra?
Thanks.
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I should have made clear that I was comparing only to Spiro mittels. Thanks for pointing that out-- I'll go edit to fix that. ;)
 
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