He didn't put out additional work. He's paid by the hour. He delayed other work in order to do something else. Big difference. Still, I was responding to your advice to do crappy work, and then tell the boss the reason is because of crappy pay. That advice will get you know where professionally except fired. I'm sorry if you don't understand that.oh, of course, you're right. He should pump out another ton of top grade projects for zero additional income. After all, it's not like he puts any effort into it.:scowl:
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Ever been ripped-off by your own boss...?
- Thread starter Spinal Tapper
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Sounds to me like you might have thought you could get away with keeping the money without your boss knowing about it and maybe that's why you're mad.
Whoa. Slow down there, skip.
I did do extra work. 3 days of worth of work for a non-client "friend" of the owner of my company. I think that's not quite as black and white as you're making it seem. The fact that B needed the project with a ridiculous deadline made for the fact that I had no choice but to work on it during regular work hours.
That 1 project put my whole regular workload into a tailspin and ended up costing me to stay late working on in-house projects to catch up for days afterwords.
I'm sorry if you're offended with my posts, but with that sort of mentality you might just have your own employees venting about you on their favorite off-topic forums. Better check into that...
Nah, I would've just had them send the check to my house if that was the case when they asked where to send it
oh, of course, you're right. He should pump out another ton of top grade projects for zero additional income. After all, it's not like he puts any effort into it.
Have you read this thread at all?
All day long I have people coming to me at work with various projects for me to work on. Its part of my job. Just like the work that our OP did was a part of his job.
that sounds like someone I know.
welcome to the land of internet forums. Most allow you to speak as you'd prefer. If comprehension or interpretation of what others say here doesn't register with you, a cup of coffee may help.
Look, he could go the gentler way. "You get what you give", "you get what you pay for", but from some of my knowledge of the real estate biz, most of the good money comes from commissions, not hourly wage in the office. He may have had projects that were a lot more important than what he was working on; he did this as a nice project, invested time in it, and got boned. I would've let the stupidvisor know what the understanding was, since he was so enthuisiastic in assigning the work.
I have a firm belief in the idea that the work you get paid for and the ratio of jobs you accept should match.
Remember that earning a sum equal to the ratio of involvement of your work is a concept that just won't work with people. After all, we come to work out of the goodness of our hearts so we can bring sunshine to our bosses' lives! :scowl:
I'm fairly certain if you had given your home address to B's assistant and cashed the $500 check yourself, you'd be out of a job when A found out. That's called double dipping, which is a no-no everywhere I have worked.
What am I wondering is did you make $500 or more in regular wages from A while working on the project for B?
-Mike
What am I wondering is did you make $500 or more in regular wages from A while working on the project for B?
-Mike
Thanks Scorp. This was where I was originally coming from when I posted. Basically the job that was assigned to me for B was an urgent freelance project in which I had to put aside hours of my own workload to get this completed.
I work alone here, I have no assistants to keep up my load while I'm sick or on band trips, I haven't had a raise here in years, and no one else that works here can do what I do without at least a few weeks of concentrated training to get an idea.
I do like my job, but sometimes people here take what I do for granted, and it's hard not to get a little disgusted with that at times. As an owner of a small business, I think if you keep your workers happy by doing little things when they go out of their way to do things for you, they won't need to vent their frustrations on the internet.
If I was more ambitious, I'd open my own service for these jokers and charge whatever I wanted.
I think that's acceptable. Let him know that working on something else will delay in-house work, but if he says that's okay, what can you do? He's paying you to work 9-5, and if he wants you to use your skill for someone else, then that's okay. You could always ask for a raise if you feel you are worth more than you are being paid, especially if this were to become something regular such that he was using you as a consultant and making lots of money on you.
As a manager/boss, one of the things I've learned the hard way over the years is to judge people's expectancy of gratitude in terms of it's magnitude and expediency. Some people respond very well to immediate displays of gratitude from their employer, even if the magnitude of the expression is fairly low. I've seen people get excited over a $25 gift card to Applebee's, while another person thinks it's a slap in the face. Other people will accept those smaller, immediate expressions gleefully, but they're quickly forgotten such that they still expect something larger when the time comes, such as a fat raise or bonus. Not sure if your boss is good at figuring this kind of thing out, but the best thing you can do is talk to him about it, calmly and respectfully, so that it helps him understand your expectation as a valuable employee. If the two of you can't come to an agreement over time, then at least you've done your part and can move on without regret.
You are correct again, but on the flip side you never know what is going on behind the scenes at your place of employment, especially with regard to finances. A company can be in dire straights for a long time with a very bleak outlook on the future long before it gets out with the employees who only see their paycheck. It's hard to say, but I'm just speaking generally. One this is for certain though, which is that letting bitterness and resentment set in is pretty much always going to take more from you in the end. It's better to be open with your employer about your needs (also being careful not to let him/her have a reason to resent you and become bitter in the process!), and then make your decision on how you move forward with a clear mind and conscience. Petty acts of disloyalty such as the person mentioned in this thread before will never result in anything good. A person who is prone to feeling victimized might think it's the right response because it brings an emotional satisfaction that they've payed someone back for their actions, and that they've prevented someone from taking advantage of them. In reality however, the person who acts like that is really too ignorant and short sighted to see that the only person they will harm by behaving that way is themselves.
Ha, yeah, Mike, I was joking about that address thing. C'mon. I'm not trying to get fired here
But I am curious about the comparison to my regular wages thing, guess I haven't sat down to do the math. And honestly, I wouldn't even ask for the whole $500 anyways, but it would've been nice to been included. Crap, even a thanks would've been cool...
Are you at work today? How much time do you spend on TB and other web sites while you are on the clock?
If you don't like the way you're treated at your job, go find another one. Or, better yet, go out there and start your own business. If you don't starve to death, you'll find a new appreciation for your boss' situation.
So this is new information it seems. You had to work late? Where you paid overtime for those hours? You are paid by the hour, correct? I assumed you were since you said "9-5" which is synonymous with hourly pay. If you are paid by the project however, or salaried, then that changes things a bit.
Yep. Its slow today. That's how some days are here. Some days it's dead from 9-5, and some days I work 9-8. And I don't know what it'll be like from one day to the next until I come in that day. Which makes my job even more exciting.
U gonna rat me out, bro?
likewise, how about you? How much time are you on the net while on the clock?
ah, like I mentioned in the old bullying thread, the "take it like a man" approach. Good to see my subjects living by example.
Unfortunately, I'm salary. I get paid the same whether I work late or leave on time. Which takes this particular situation even further out of my favor...
Dude, I own the F'n place!
You go and work your butt off for twenty years and save all the money you can. Then mortgage your house to the hilt while finding investors to back you. Then work 60-70 hours a week for more then five years to build your company and client base until you have a fairly stable business while taking home less then you are paying your employees. Put up with employees stealing from you and milking the clock all the while.
After you do all that, you can do what ever you want with your time.
