Explain *lazy beat" to me

[Groove Master]

Yes, it's EXTREMELY impractical.
Here is a very short example of my attempt to "lick" a simple bass pattern the way it was played on the track.
I don't remember what's the name of the track.

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And here is that short soundclip. It does not sound terrible.

https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/temp-mp3.3851162/?temp_hash=d391fbd88d8691ee492168a502799831

LOL Who wants to read that ? Not me for sure even if I consider myself a very good sight-reader ;-)

 

[IamGroot]

When in doubt, ask a drummer (preferably a perfectionist with an MA in Music).

I spent an hour on the phone with my friend and he confirmed everything in the swing video plus a lot of good musicianship advice.

Great drummers that can communicate what they do are an incredible asset.

 

[IamGroot]

This classical musician explains it


It would be notated 'Laid back'

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This is one of the papers referenced on microrhythmic variation. Still reading it.

 

[Bourbongangster]

Btw, I sat in lectures that discussed the difficulty of notating the swing feel, and lectures on whether the way baroque music is played today rembles how it was played in the 17 and 18th century.

Its fascinating stuff.

Just in case you didn't read the link I replied with that has a pretty solid answer, the tldr is polyrhythms. Adam Neely does a pretty solid video about it.

 

[mambo4]

I'm betting Jacob just played with the percentage swing setting in Logic and memorized the sound.

 

[Groove Master]

I'm betting Jacob just played with the percentage swing setting in Logic and memorized the sound.

These are the pretty basic % of swing.
I wrote a whole chapter in my book G101 about 16th swing % with examples...

 

[Whousedtoplay]

SWING IN DAWS.
The main swing option in Logic dispenses with percentages altogether, offering a choice of six settings instead. In the case of 16th-note swing, these are called 16A through to 16F. The manual defines those settings by swing percentage, using the same convention (50% = straight timing) as Linn:

16A: 50%
16B: 54%
16C: 58%
16D: 62%
16E: 66%
16F: 71%
DAW & Drum Machine Swing - Page 2 of 4 - Attack Magazine

 

[IamGroot]

In classical notation, a 64th rest on the front of the beat can be a mess.

The unapproved shorthand is to show the rest with an arrow through it pointing to the note., similar to a grace note. The rest deducts from the note value.

 

[Matthew_84]

This is 100% not true in this case. We're not talking about durations that exist in western music notation.Like Groove Master said, it's a matter of milliseconds.

Also, IME, the amount you can get away with (delaying or rushing) depends on the melody, rhythm, etc, so every song will have slightly different tolerances.

 

[Jeff Hughes]

Ahhh to quantize the unquantizable.

Right now I play with a drummer who is great at not slowing down when I start to drag the beat a little. Some drummers just slow down.

 

[Matthew_84]

Ahhh to quantize the unquantizable.

Right now I play with a drummer who is great at not slowing down when I start to drag the beat a little. Some drummers just slow down.

You’re lucky! I played in a hip hop group once with an awesome emcee but the drummer (his cousin) had no independent sense of time and stuck to me like glue.

I loved playing with them but that was one of the biggest factors with me walking away.

The group’s motivation to progress dwindled as well, which was the main one, but I would have stayed just for the fun of it if the drummer and I could lock into a groove.

 

[Jeff Hughes]

The good drummers know when you are trying to slow the temp down versus changing the feel. Non-music people and possibly some music people struggle with the idea that you can find a lot of room inside a beat. I hear ya.

You’re lucky! I played in a hip hop group once with an awesome emcee but the drummer (his cousin) had no independent sense of time and stuck to me like glue.

I loved playing with them but that was one of the biggest factors with me walking away.

The group’s motivation to progress dwindled as well, which was the main one, but I would have stayed just for the fun of it if the drummer and I could lock into a groove.

 

[Matthew_84]

The good drummers know when you are trying to slow the temp down versus changing the feel. Non-music people and possibly some music people struggle with the idea that you can find a lot of room inside a beat. I hear ya.

Yeah, he wasn’t a good drummer lol. He started following me because he’d veer way off time before it and every in the group told him to listen to me.

I played along for a few weeks of keeping strict time and he seemed okay. I then wanted to mix it up a bit and explained to him to keep the beat steady (I wasn’t changing the tempo, just the rhythm) but he couldn’t keep up.

I pretty much had to keep strict time so the emcee and others wouldn’t get distracted.

 

[Jeff Hughes]

Yeah, he wasn’t a good drummer lol. He started following me because he’d veer way off time before it and every in the group told him to listen to me.

I played along for a few weeks of keeping strict time and he seemed okay. I then wanted to mix it up a bit and explained to him to keep the beat steady (I wasn’t changing the tempo, just the rhythm) but he couldn’t keep up.

I pretty much had to keep strict time so the emcee and others wouldn’t get distracted.

It is like the drummer was a grove vampire sucking the life force from the music.